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Mike Hughes - 02 November 2018 02:00 PM

It wasn’t the most coherent post I’ve put up :)

As regards the first paragraph the reality is that big business does run the world and a government ideologically wedded ti the shrinking of government isn’t going to make a dent in that.

Plus why would they deserve to? They literally didn’t even talk to Apple until they were at the testing stage back in April despite old articles claiming they had been talking for a few years.. There are blog posts about the “discovery” of the chip aspect not working whilst they tested on Android for the first time! That’s pretty staggering ineptitude and mightily reminiscent of UC live service IT and most other government IT projects.

Pretty much agree with your second and fourth paragraphs but as regards the third it’s about the transmission,  route and retention of the data rather than the nature of the data itself.

It’s a bit like cars.

Once, Ford was the market leading behemoth. Now its just a rather good car company, but not the most valuable – funnily enough the most valuable is the most fashionable but insignificant in numbers auto maker. I will always buy Land Rovers (or Astons if I get lucky), but that’s because I’m old fashioned. I reckon that’s where Apple is headed.. niche purveyor of tech to dedicated but aging Apple Fans.

 

 


.... sadly not my work

https://morningporridge.com/the-morning-porridge/f/blains-morning-porridge—-nov-2nd-2018

 

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John Birks - 02 November 2018 04:18 PM

Presidential level trolling

“Sad” :)

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The Residential Landlords Association (RLA) wants the Home Office to provide hard copy documents to EU citizens proving their status in the UK post-Brexit. The association has joined forces with campaign group ‘the3million’, to write to Home Secretary Sajid Javid asking for the documentation, and clarification of their legal position post-Brexit.

According to the English Housing Survey, around 66% of EU citizens (excluding those from the Republic of Ireland) live in private rented housing. Section 21 (5) of the Immigration Act 2014 provides all nationals of the European Economic Area with the right to rent property in the UK indefinitely.

Without being changed, this will be the case under any kind of Brexit, and will apply to EU citizens currently living in the UK and those who might come following the UK’s departure from the EU.

The Home Office has proposed to give digital codes to EU citizens currently in the UK whose rights will be protected. Under their plans this code will be passed by the tenant to a landlord who would need to input the code into a Home Office website enabling them to confirm the potential tenant’s immigration status.

The RLA believes this could cause problems, with research from RLA PEARL showing landlords are already reluctant to rent to those who cannot easily prove their status with a document such as a passport.

RLA calls for documents for EU citizens in letter to Home Secretary

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More than 1,500 lawyers have put their names to a call for a referendum on the terms of Britain’s exit from the European Union. ’Lawyers for a People’s Vote’, established last month, says it has attracted widespread support from solicitors, barristers and academics.

A letter to the prime minister, also published in the Guardian, states that as members of the legal profession, lawyers act for people, businesses and institutions that will be ‘profoundly affected’ by the terms of the UK’s relationship with the EU.

It concludes: ‘When negotiations conclude, the terms of exit will be known. Voters should then have a say on whether to exit on those terms—just as a home buyer may reconsider an offer after receiving the survey, and a patient must be informed of risks before consenting to surgery.

More: https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/solicitors-join-lawyers-call-for-further-brexit-referendum/5068200.article
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/05/let-the-people-judge-whether-a-brexit-deal-is-fit-for-purpose

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Paul_Treloar_AgeUK - 05 November 2018 11:20 AM

The Residential Landlords Association (RLA) wants the Home Office to provide hard copy documents to EU citizens proving their status in the UK post-Brexit. The association has joined forces with campaign group ‘the3million’, to write to Home Secretary Sajid Javid asking for the documentation, and clarification of their legal position post-Brexit.

According to the English Housing Survey, around 66% of EU citizens (excluding those from the Republic of Ireland) live in private rented housing. Section 21 (5) of the Immigration Act 2014 provides all nationals of the European Economic Area with the right to rent property in the UK indefinitely.

Without being changed, this will be the case under any kind of Brexit, and will apply to EU citizens currently living in the UK and those who might come following the UK’s departure from the EU.

The Home Office has proposed to give digital codes to EU citizens currently in the UK whose rights will be protected. Under their plans this code will be passed by the tenant to a landlord who would need to input the code into a Home Office website enabling them to confirm the potential tenant’s immigration status.

The RLA believes this could cause problems, with research from RLA PEARL showing landlords are already reluctant to rent to those who cannot easily prove their status with a document such as a passport.

RLA calls for documents for EU citizens in letter to Home Secretary

Sounds a bit like this

https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence

 

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Handy Commons Library userguide and flowchart re likely next steps in ‘deal’ and ‘no deal’ scenarios

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/parliament-and-elections/parliament/the-meaningful-vote-a-users-guide/

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The BBC has seen a suggested detailed timetable of how the Government might try to sell a Brexit deal to the public and parliament ... includes:

“Also hoping to get 3rd Sector voices out supporting it ...”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46109889

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You may have heard that Mrs May says there’s a deal on the table with the EU.

This article from the Guardian is a good summary of where we are and what might be next.

Theresa May’s Brexit deal: everything you need to know

Britain’s Brexit battle is a long way – a very long way – from over.

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Also being reported that Esther McVey may be resigning today…..

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ros - 14 November 2018 04:09 PM

Also being reported that Esther McVey may be resigning today…..

So there are some possible upsides to Brexit then?

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Here’s the full beast of the agreement Draft Agreement on the withdrawal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community

To me on a quick glance last night, on social security and right to reside, it is basically plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose which is slightly surprising. Articles 13, 15 and 51 refer.

Dominic Raab has just resigned https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2018/nov/15/brexit-deal-theresa-may-takes-agreement-to-parliament-politics-live?page=with:block-5bed34a9e4b07e5fcd49afd2#block-5bed34a9e4b07e5fcd49afd2

And Shailesh Vara who was minister for NI also resigned this morning.

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Esther’s resigned….

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There is no point reading the draft withdrawal agreement is there…....

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Esther’s tweet and letter of resignation…

https://twitter.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1063008263225126912

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Suella Braverman, junior minister at DXEU and Anne-Marie Trevelyan, PPS at Education, also jumped ship.

A nation says “who?”....

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To return to a previous topic of conversation - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-eu-exit-id-document-check-app

[ Edited: 20 Nov 2018 at 11:17 am by shawn mach ]
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House of Commons Library has brought together relevant draft Withdrawal Agreement document links - includes European Commission fact sheet giving a concise summary of the negotiations and the rights stemming from the Agreement.

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Paul_Treloar_AgeUK - 15 November 2018 10:06 AM

Esther’s tweet and letter of resignation…

https://twitter.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1063008263225126912

A bit off topic for this thread but does anyone have any ideas who will replace her?

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Re who’s going to replace Ms McVey - no idea! :)

Re Brexit - here’s IPPR first analysis of withdrawal agreement -

https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/brexit-withdrawal-agreement

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Steve Barclay named as new Brexit Secretary -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46241693

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ros - 16 November 2018 04:40 PM

Steve Barclay named as new Brexit Secretary -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46241693

who?

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https://www.freemovement.org.uk/ilpa-briefing-appendix-eu-settled-status/

Interesting article from the Immigration Law Practitioners’ Association (ILPA) in the Free Movement newsletter highlighting problems and issues with the draft agreement on Settled Status/Citizen’s Rights post Brexit.

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The Supreme Court has today refused permission to appeal in the matter of Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union (Appellant) v Wightman and others (Respondents)

The supreme court has dismissed an attempt by the Brexit secretary to derail a European court hearing into whether article 50 – which triggered the UK’s departure from the EU – could be reversed.

In a decision released on Tuesday, the justices refused the government permission to challenge a ruling by Scotland’s highest court that the issue should be referred to the European court of justice in Luxembourg.

... The way now appears clear for the European Court of Justice to proceed with its emergency hearing, scheduled for 27 November.

https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/permission-to-appeal-application-for-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-european-union-v-wightman-and-others.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/20/brexit-supreme-court-rejects-government-attempt-to-derail-legal-action-to-revoke-article-50

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House of Commons Library has published a briefing, Brexit and State Pensions, which looks at EU law providing for the co-ordination of state pension entitlement and the possible impact of Brexit.

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shawn - 20 November 2018 11:15 AM

The Supreme Court has today refused permission to appeal in the matter of Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union (Appellant) v Wightman and others (Respondents)

The supreme court has dismissed an attempt by the Brexit secretary to derail a European court hearing into whether article 50 – which triggered the UK’s departure from the EU – could be reversed.

In a decision released on Tuesday, the justices refused the government permission to challenge a ruling by Scotland’s highest court that the issue should be referred to the European court of justice in Luxembourg.

... The way now appears clear for the European Court of Justice to proceed with its emergency hearing, scheduled for 27 November.

The Advocate General has given his opinion in Case C-621/18 Wightman: Article 50 TFEU notification of the intention to withdraw from the EU can be revoked unilaterally under certain conditions.

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stuart - 04 December 2018 09:17 AM

The Advocate General has given his opinion in Case C-621/18 Wightman: Article 50 TFEU notification of the intention to withdraw from the EU can be revoked unilaterally under certain conditions.

Most important condition, apparently, being that it has to be revoked without conditions and on the understanding this isn’t an attempt to extend the period of negotiating a further withdrawal agreement, if that makes sense?

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MPs back motion declaring ministers in contempt of parliament over Brexit legal advice ... 311 votes to 293

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MPs have voted for the Dominic Grieve amendment that will ensure MPs can vote in favour of a “plan B” option in January 2019 if Theresa May’s deal gets voted down. It was passed by 321 votes to 299.