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Work and pensions minister Kat Malthouse replaces Dominic Raab as the new housing minister ....

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shawn - 09 July 2018 03:53 PM

Work and pensions minister Kat Malthouse replaces Dominic Raab as the new housing minister ....

More from this evening’s Cabinet reshuffle -

- New DWP Parliamentary Under Secretary of State is Justin Tomlinson .... current member of the Work and Pensions Committee, and DWP Minister (Disabled People) between May 2015 and July 2016

- New Secretary of State for Health and Social Care is Matt Hancock who has been Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport since January 2018.

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Jeremy Hunt new Foreign Secretary, just what health and social care needed before one of the biggest spending decisions in living memory.

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White paper here.

THE FUTURE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE UNITED KINGDOM AND THE EUROPEAN UNION

Did quick skim and there’s proposals to continue with rules around exposting state pension and retention of EHIC cards.

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Found this blog very interesting and there’s a link to a longer research paper that expands on many of the themes touched on here.

Austerity may be at the heart of Brexit

My recent paper shows that support for UKIP—a measure that is tightly linked to supporting Leave in the EU referendum—only started picking up significantly in areas and among individuals directly affected by welfare reforms [from 2010 onwards] once these cuts came into effect.

For example, individuals who saw their council tax benefit cut from April 2013 became significantly more likely to support UKIP and increasingly felt that “public officials do not care”, feeling disenfranchised and believing that their vote does not make a difference and that they do not “[have] a say in government policy”.

Furthermore, economic grievances grew as these households increasingly reported being in arrears with their council tax payments. Each of these indicators is a strong correlate of support for Leave in the EU referendum.

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The Commons Library has published a new briefing “What if there’s no Brexit deal?”

.... includes (at section 9) information on Free movement of people, healthcare, social security and pensions.

NB - information on social security is at section 9.4, and pensions at 9.5.

Enjoy!!

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8397
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8397/CBP-8397.pdf

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Govt has published more techincal notes re ‘How to prepare if the UK leaves the EU with no deal’

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal

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Oh blimey ...

The government is advertising for three roles to support the development of local plans for the mitigation of disruption following the UK’s exit from the EU:

A team of civil emergency workers are being recruited on salaries of up to £50,000 a year to help the country cope with any fallout from Brexit.

The government has posted adverts looking for resilience advisers to handle any “disruption” caused by the various permutations of Britain’s exit from the European Union next year. The specialists would be employed until June 2019 but “with the possibility of extension or permanency”.

The resilience and emergency division (Red) posts are billed as “exciting and challenging” and come with a £45,938 salary, rising to £50,006 in London.

Applicants are told Red helps communities across the UK to “respond to and recover from civil emergencies of all types”. The job advertisement, posted by the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG) calls for three resilience advisers for “EU exit readiness and response support to local preparedness”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/10/emergency-workers-being-hired-to-handle-post-brexit-disruption

If anyone fancies a change, the jobs are here: https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/jobs.cgi?jcode=1603914

 

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They’re certainly well imbursed roles….

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I’d want at least that to stand in front of anyone with a Brexit issue to air.

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Some fairly terrifying reading about no deal etc. Originally a tweet thread but now gathered up into a pdf. Worth a few minutes of your time.

The truth about Brexit by Edwin Hayward”

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You may have seen some of the headlines about Caroline Nokes performance yesterday in front of the Home Affairs Select Committee, many of which were less than flattering to say the least.

Employers must check EU nationals’ right to work, says minister

However, there’s a blog post saying this is all much ado about nothing at the moment, as the legal situation stands.

EU citizens are protected even if no Brexit deal, despite what immigration minister says

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Oh, and apparently Dominic Raab thinks the final deal is only 3 weeks away from being agreed, so no panic necessary.

Raab says he expects Brexit deal to be finalised within three weeks

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Govt’s smartphone app to help EU citizens apply to remain in the UK after Brexit .... doesn’t work on Apple devices

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46043668

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shawn - 01 November 2018 11:48 AM

Govt’s smartphone app to help EU citizens apply to remain in the UK after Brexit .... doesn’t work on Apple devices

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46043668

plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

Paul_Treloar_AgeUK - 04 May 2018 11:15 AM

]Thanks Shawn. I think I read somewhere that the app won’t work with i-phones….

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shawn - 01 November 2018 11:48 AM

Govt’s smartphone app to help EU citizens apply to remain in the UK after Brexit .... doesn’t work on Apple devices

Government say to Apple:

a) Please enable chip so our app will work.
b) We are going to increase taxes on your online services enormously

The result is a surprise.

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Not to burst anyone’s bubble but this is an Apple issue rather than one of gov.

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John Birks - 02 November 2018 11:20 AM

Not to burst anyone’s bubble but this is an Apple issue rather than one of gov.

Gov write app which needs a disabled chip in iPhones to be activated.  Risky?

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John Birks - 02 November 2018 11:20 AM

Not to burst anyone’s bubble but this is an Apple issue rather than one of gov.

Hardly. Apple’s position on such things has been known for decades and has been absolutely immovable and a defining and distinguishing feature which separates them from their competitors. The naïve belief of ministers that they can change the whole ethos of an organisation through force of personality, will or public shaming is just embarrassing.

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Mike Hughes - 02 November 2018 11:28 AM
John Birks - 02 November 2018 11:20 AM

Not to burst anyone’s bubble but this is an Apple issue rather than one of gov.

Hardly. Apple’s position on such things has been known for decades and has been absolutely immovable and a defining and distinguishing feature which separates them from their competitors. The naïve belief of ministers that they can change the whole ethos of an organisation through force of personality, will or public shaming is just embarrassing.

I’m not sure that services should be designed around Apples preferred use of ‘Airdrop.’

The point is NFC capability is industry ‘standard’ but iPhone isn’t. For now.

The other issue is it won’t work on older phones without NFC.

The issue is NFC.

 

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John Birks - 02 November 2018 12:01 PM

The issue is NFC.

 


The issue is governemnt writing apps for a system that they know doesn’t work for most users.

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Gareth Morgan - 02 November 2018 12:07 PM
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The issue is NFC.

 


The ssue is governemnt writing apps for a system that they know doesn’t work for most users.

Yes, that, exactly.

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You could call this waiting for AAPL.

Not most. One manufacturer. One closed system.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262179/market-share-held-by-mobile-operating-systems-in-the-united-kingdom/

The feature is a Home Office design implemented 2006. Presumably the argument is because one manufacturer hasn’t let anyone access (yet) then no one should have access?

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3308678/mobile-wireless/apple-finally-shares-its-automatic-nfc-launch-capabilities-albeit-in-a-very-limited-way.html


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The argument is that Apple implemented NFC at chip level to provide a level of security re: ID and finance that others can’t emulate. Thus it sells Apple Pay as more secure than banking apps offering similar functionality on other OS because… it is. No government is going to be given access at chip level. Add in a discussion about the use of back doors etc. and there’s just no way.

Apple brought along NFC Core to enable the technology to be used by more 3rd party developers. NFC Core offers the functionality without necessarily the same level of security. It’s hypocritical nonsense for government to decline to use it (and that’s what’s actually happening as I read it) because of security given the poor level of security on Android devices; putting aside for a moment that if you use an Android device you know who else you’re giving your data to. Apple won’t be retaining your data. Android will.

The wider issues here are

- the cost of the application.
- the lack of such security on Android devices and the willingness of government to embrace that.

If only Verify worked eh!

Essentially the app should not exist at all.   

Edited to add that of course this is an app from a government that has to rely upon an estimate of the number of EU nationals in the UK because they don’t have the capacity to count them themselves! A government who estimate they’ll need 1,000 staff to process these claims. They haven’t started recruitment to date and don’t even know if the numbers are accurate because the number of EU nationals is unverifiable.

Oh, and it’s an app developed once again by a third party who will have access to your data. I cannot for the life of me imagine why Apple haven’t even deigned to give a public response. Could it be that they think it would be plainly ridiculous to do so.

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Mike Hughes - 02 November 2018 12:44 PM

The argument is that Apple implemented NFC at chip level to provide a level of security re: ID and finance that others can’t emulate. Thus it sells Apple Pay as more secure than banking apps offering similar functionality on other OS because… it is. No government is going to be given access at chip level. Add in a discussion about the use of back doors etc. and there’s just no way.

Apple brought along NFC Core to enable the technology to be used by more 3rd party developers. NFC Core offers the functionality without necessarily the same level of security. It’s hypocritical nonsense for government to decline to use it (and that’s what’s actually happening as I read it) because of security given the poor level of security on Android devices; putting aside for a moment that if you use an Android device you know who else you’re giving your data to. Apple won’t be retaining your data. Android will.

The wider issues here are

- the cost of the application.
- the lack of such security on Android devices and the willingness of government to embrace that.

If only Verify worked eh!

Essentially the app should not exist at all.   

Edited to add that of course this is an app from a government that has to rely upon an estimate of the number of EU nationals in the UK because they don’t have the capacity to count them themselves! A government who estimate they’ll need 1,000 staff to process these claims. They haven’t started recruitment to date and don’t even know if the numbers are accurate because the number of EU nationals is unverifiable.

Oh, and it’s an app developed once again by a third party who will have access to your data. I cannot for the life of me imagine why Apple haven’t even deigned to give a public response. Could it be that they think it would be plainly ridiculous to do so.

The coherent bit of the argument you’re making with regard to the app seems (to me) to let Apple run the world.

I would add to the argument - Betamax, Video 200 & DAT. Apple is on the same path imo. Ever increasing cost of handset limiting the user base - as less and less phones are sold the value of 2nd hand phones will be maintained or even increase but there is competition. 

Your point about info is spot on but for the passport it seems it’s no more info than that on the passport.

I would say if you have a mobile - regardless of IOS or Android it’s a bit too late to worry about shared data.

 

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It wasn’t the most coherent post I’ve put up 😊

As regards the first paragraph the reality is that big business does run the world and a government ideologically wedded ti the shrinking of government isn’t going to make a dent in that.

Plus why would they deserve to? They literally didn’t even talk to Apple until they were at the testing stage back in April despite old articles claiming they had been talking for a few years.. There are blog posts about the “discovery” of the chip aspect not working whilst they tested on Android for the first time! That’s pretty staggering ineptitude and mightily reminiscent of UC live service IT and most other government IT projects.

Pretty much agree with your second and fourth paragraphs but as regards the third it’s about the transmission,  route and retention of the data rather than the nature of the data itself.

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Blimey, this all seems more controversial than the whole Leave/Remain schism…..

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New guidance on the settled status pilot just published -

This guidance tells caseworkers how to consider applications made under the EU Settlement Scheme during the pilot taking place between 1 November and 21 December 2018.

... though android phone required - from EU settlement eligibility gov.uk page….

You’ll also need to be able to access an Android device in order to use a Home Office app to enable us to confirm your identity as part of the application process.

 

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stuart - 02 November 2018 03:45 PM

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... though android phone required - from EU settlement eligibility gov.uk page….

You’ll also need to be able to access an Android device in order to use a Home Office app to enable us to confirm your identity as part of the application process.

 

You’re just trolling us now Stuart :)

 

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Presidential level trolling