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DWP plans for both managed move to UC and voluntary move to UC

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Owen_Stevens
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Hi Andrew

My suspicion is that this is probably some sort of case conferencing process similar to the kind that was introduced for people that miss a WCA (but I don’t know)

Obviously, if anyone has information about this or how this is working in practice the CPAG’s Early Warning System is all ears: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

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Tom B (WRAMAS) - 26 April 2023 04:30 PM

Daphne - were you still after a migration notice?

Hi Tom ... we got hold of one and posted it here: https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/19213/

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shawn mach - 28 April 2023 03:32 PM
Tom B (WRAMAS) - 26 April 2023 04:30 PM

Daphne - were you still after a migration notice?

Hi Tom ... we got hold of one and posted it here: https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/19213/

this was from an adviser in Bath so rolling out there :)

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Owen_Stevens - 28 April 2023 05:11 PM

https://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2023-0366/017H1_Atkins_DWP_Move_to_UC_Final_Report_v1_0.pdf

An interesting footnote to this - one of the authors of the Independent Review of Move to UC report is John McGlynn.  He was subsequently appointed as chair of the UC Programme Board. He appears to have a background in defence procurement, including experience relating to the Scout armoured fighting vehicle (better known as Ajax) https://www.gov.uk/government/people/john-mcglynn

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The Ajax armoured vehicles were supposed to be operational by 2017 - wasn’t that the original target date for fully implementing UC when IDS used to bang on about it being on time and on budget? Trials were halted due to excessive vibration and noise and it is now hoped to be in service by, coincidentally, 2025…

Spooky.

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Lots of parallels

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/25/british-armys-ajax-armoured-vehicle-project-back-on-track

‘Better seat cushions and ear defenders are among improvements being hailed by Ben Wallace’.

Wallace said: “I have been clear this was a troubled programme, it was started in March 2010, I inherited a troubled programme, I was determined I was going to put this right, I get a weekly update.

 

 

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Latest plans for managed migration announced - Durham and Tees Valley, Kent, North London and East Anglia from July 2023 - https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/welfare-rights/news/item/managed-migration-of-universal-credit-to-roll-out-in-durham-and-tees-valley-kent-north-london-and-east-anglia-from-july-2023

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Charles - 26 April 2023 02:50 PM

Does anyone from other areas where it has already rolled out (e.g., Avon, Somerset and Gloucester in April) know how the roll out works in practice?

For example, do they start with claimants in one JCP area in the region? Or all of them at once? Is there a specific way in how they pick claimants at the start?

Hi Charles - here’s a question and answer from DWP I got yesterday which answers some of your points -

Question - In respect of roll-out in Avon, Somerset and Gloucestershire, are you able to give any indication of how many TC only claimants there are in the area and how far roll-out has progressed eg how many migration notices have gone out so far. Is it likely that most TC only claimants in that area will receive a migration notice imminently (an indication of timescale would be really helpful) or is it likely that it will be many months before they are all issued.

Answer - Unlike UC rollout that completed in 2018, our approach is not geographically based, rather about bringing in additional areas so that we are at the point of full coverage across Great Britain by March 2024. As we expand into additional areas, MNs will be issued across all areas in scope so we aren’t able to give an indication of how many we expect to send in any given area on a monthly basis’.

My understanding is it’s pretty random within the area

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Interesting, thanks.

Any update on when they will start on couples?

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Can someone confirm the current expected schedule for Managed Migration? Is the below broadly correct?

2023/24 - Tax Credit only claimants
2024/25 - Tax Credit + Other Legacy Benefits
2025/26 - Other Legacy Benefits (excluding ESA)
By 2028 - ESA

I’m starting to lose track and it seems hard to find one definitive source which is kept up to date (links to such a source gratefully received!).

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Hi, we have tried to keep on top of this, aided by Daphne and others, and have the timetable etc described in our webpage https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/services/welfare-benefits/welfare-rights-and-money-advice/the-move-to-Universal-Credit

It also has links to the gov info and press releases that have announced these changes. And of course, there are meetings that Daphne and others attend where the DWP make announcements.

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clive - 26 May 2023 09:04 AM

Hi, we have tried to keep on top of this, aided by Daphne and others, and have the timetable etc described in our webpage https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/services/welfare-benefits/welfare-rights-and-money-advice/the-move-to-Universal-Credit

It also has links to the gov info and press releases that have announced these changes. And of course, there are meetings that Daphne and others attend where the DWP make announcements.

Clive

Aha that’s an excellent resource thanks Clive!

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Hail all.

We have still been told nothing more by DWP about measures to assist and protect vulnerable claimants, or about this promised ‘panel’.

As far as I know there have been no discussions with Adult Care providers. To my distress, I cannot get anything started at this end.  Nobody seems to be interested.

Time is, surely, running out.

Also, the potential for a new wave of third-party fraud was recognised (briefly) by DWP some time ago but I have never heard it mentioned again. I think the fraudsters will have their plans made by now.

The potential for another UC disaster is huge.

I’d say all this has turned my hair white, but that happened long ago.

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PS, if I am told that all will be solved by a ‘test and learn’ approach, I will emigrate to Mars.