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juliem - 23 July 2020 01:18 PM

But good luck or see you at the Dove!

Now the thought of that does cheer me up, some cheap and tasty ale and a view towards the ground from the terrace :-)

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Paul_Treloar_AgeUK - 23 July 2020 11:05 AM

Hmm, not so sure the force majeure defence stands up to any scrutiny, that’s a coincidence.

Choi never attended a game – apparently regarding the club purely as an investment – but, in June, Wigan was transferred to another business in which he had a controlling interest, the New Leader Fund (NLF) registered in the Cayman Islands.

Two weeks ago, there was a further twist when control of the NLF passed to Hong Kong businessman Au Yeung, who tried forcing the club’s UK-based directors to accept responsibility for a £24 million loan used to repay Choi. When the directors refused, Yeung attempted to liquidate the club, before placing it in administration.

A Major Global Scandal’ The Collapse of Wigan Athletic

Much much more to the Wigan thing than in that article. The Begbies Traynor guys did Wrexham AFC and they’re good guys. So, if they go public with concerns you can (ahem) bet that this has a long way to run yet. Exceptionally thorough are the words that spring to mind. The story doing the rounds locally is mesmerising but probably best not for a public forum.

Bottom line is that Wigan are unlikely to see any kind of justice because the EFL still haven’t changed anything since Wrexham were the first to lose points and Bury were ejected. Each of these clubs gets labelled as poorly managed or over spenders or similar taints and the truth is so far from that (with the honourable exception of Bury) that it beggars belief (as John Major once put it).

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shawn mach - 24 July 2020 04:22 PM

New Premiership and EFL seasons start on 12 September:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/24/premier-league-confirms-next-season-will-start-on-12-september

... although I see Scotland are starting sooner than soon:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-premiership/scores-fixtures/2020-08

Social distancing has long been in place for most of Scottish football for some years :)

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I’m absolutely chomping at the bit for Saturday after the 2 weeks international break, although we will probably lose away at Stoke. How did we ever get through those days of April and May, was it really just because it was sunny??

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I managed 21 days without a league game and didn’t miss it one bit. Quite enjoyed the Welsh performances though and when my team finally came back away at Hartlepool on Tuesday night it was with one of those immensely inept performances you watch through fingers until you score a great winning goal so against the run of play you didn’t know you could be quite that embarrassed.

Still, we are no doubt days away from the national press labelling us Deadpool United.

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Once upon a time I went trekking up a mountain with bloke I met on a bus. He grunted and swore a lot for 3 or 4 days, never enunciating much else. We arrived, bleary eyed and broken, at the top of a 3,500m volcano. As a huge Asian sun rose on the horizon he burst into beautifully perfect song, every note spreading across the vast crater and fading into the distant jungle…

Wrexham lager
Wrexham Lager
Feed me until I can drink no more…
Feed me until I can drink no more

One of the most spine chilling moments of my life

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Sounds ominously like a guy called Paul Hughes (no relation) but to be fair it could be any of us.

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Why would anyone drink Wrexham larger let alone eulogize it in song (on account of the contents rather that the place/team)?

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Peter - how very dare you 😊 The original Wrexham Lager was a fairly vile concoction. Very 1970s. Ended up with Marstons brewery.  Only memorable for producing some truly great football shirts with the logo on the front. However, the revived version is a lovely thing on every level.

1 - a local brewery revived the original recipe which was the first lager to be brought to the UK.

2 - the original recipe is very different to the drink most people think of. It drinks well.

3 - the logo is not the original (for lots of reasons) but is equally lovely. At present it merely graces our shorts but I am hopeful one day it will again grace the shirt. Certainly better than that Ifor Williams blue monstrosity we currently have. I’d have Crosville Buses back over that.

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Mike Hughes - 20 November 2020 12:59 PM

Peter - how very dare you :) The original Wrexham Lager was a fairly vile concoction. Very 1970s. Ended up with Marstons brewery.  Only memorable for producing some truly great football shirts with the logo on the front. However, the revived version is a lovely thing on every level.

1 - a local brewery revived the original recipe which was the first lager to be brought to the UK.

2 - the original recipe is very different to the drink most people think of. It drinks well.

3 - the logo is not the original (for lots of reasons) but is equally lovely. At present it merely graces our shorts but I am hopeful one day it will again grace the shirt. Certainly better than that Ifor Williams blue monstrosity we currently have. I’d have Crosville Buses back over that.

To be fair Mike it may be as far back as the days of Crosville (loved that green) that I was ‘forced’ to drink Wrexham lager (in the days when the only pub within walking distance of places we stayed only served cryogenic euro fizz type concoctions - and no Crosville service to a decent pub even in those days!). Perhaps NAWRA could arrange free samples when we can all meet again in person? Enjoy a few this weekend if you can!

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To be fair Peter I used “vile concoction” as a replacement for “urine” or similar. There was nothing positive to say about the original beyond “great logo on a shirt”, It is a very pleasant drink indeed nowadays although following a largely gluten free diet means that my occasional stock has to be depleted at a much more cautious rate than I would like. It was at one point available on Amazon. At another point I was forced to buy it from Chester Beer and Wine in Hoole which really wasn’t on.

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Yeh, the guy I went up the mountain with (not Paul Hughes), when he did occasionally speak it was mostly to denigrate Chester and everything and anyone in any way associated with it.

Feed me ‘til I want no more, I should have said. For a potted history of Wrexham Lager, its German heritage and the trials and tribulations of empire and austerity - https://www.wrexhamlager.co.uk/history/

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Ah well I disassociate myself from the more rabid of my kin. Jester are just comedic. I was really disappointed Ryan and Rob even mentioned them. Their only significance was in being the club who:

- employed the magnificently bonkers Terry Smith. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Smith_(football)
- were destroyed by the first man to fail the fit and proper person test. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Vaughan_Sr. He couldn’t even fail it for football reasons.
- employed the only manager more morally bankrupt than Ryan Giggs. See https://www.cheshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wright-accused-of-misconduct-5294665

I had forgotten that we were the lager on the Titanic.

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Very sad to hear of the passing of Diego Maradona today. Rising from the humblest of backgrounds in the slums of Beunos Aires to become one of the greatest footballers ever to have played the game. Taking in an unlikely friendship with Fidel Castro, hero worship across much of the developing world, involvement with the mafia and becoming a hate figure of much of the Western media along the way. A true ghetto legend, RIP Diego.

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On the sad passing of Diego Armando Maradona, I’d really recommend you watch Asif Kapadia’s recent movie Diego Maradona - it’s an absolutely stunning piece of documentary and shows so much more than you might know about this genius of football.