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HB Anorak
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... have found work because of UC. That is the robotic message being parroted by everyone from Esther McVeigh downwards today. That’s over 3 million already, including over a million before UC even existed! Not bad going, you have to admit. If UC can get more people into work than have ever claimed it, what’s not to like?

     
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MartinB - 12 October 2018 09:19 AM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/esther-mcvey-theresa-may-universal-credit-charities-contract-clauses-reputation-a8580056.html

Careful how you go…. Netters.

Credit for this story should actually be given to John Pring of the Disability News Service who revealed the gagging clauises back in April this year.

Charities delivering DWP’s work programme ‘must promise not to attack McVey’

As for the 1,000 jobs a day, it’s a miracle I tell thee, a miracle…..

     
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Why don’t they ever ask people who know about the stuff being talked about - something basic like UC started in 2013 so Ms McVile this is not entirely accurate is it?

Also what reputation?

      [ Edited: 12 Oct 2018 at 09:53 am by Vonny ]
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Not just her - Ross Thomson on QT last night just regurgitating this stuff.  That man is a walking Harry Enfield character

     
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“something basic like UC started in 2013”?

Are you sure…......

I thought the original finish date was Oct 2017?

If so (and accuracy is not my strong point) then we are about as near the projected end ie 4 years (2022)...as when we started ?? 

As it is folks are calling for a pause. We will soon be further away from the end than when we started ??

Maybe my maths is out?

     
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I am highly sceptical about the 1,000 a day figure.  We need to see the workings and source for this.

But in any event, most if not all of these people would have got a job anyway no matter whether they received JSA/IS/ESA or UC, so it’s misleading for McVey and others to use the 1,000 a day figure in isolation - it implies no one on JSA IS etc ever got a job.

A previous claim that UC moved people into work faster than JSA was tosh - they took data for new UC claimants in the live service areas and then compared their rate of move into work to the off flow from JSA.  It was a skewed sample because new younger, claimants of either JSA or UC are more likely to move into work and when one broke the figures down it was hardly statistically significant.

One just mustn’t take anything these people say at face value.

     
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I agree, it’s an incredibly vague and sweeping claim to make.  Is it:

- all job appointments of any kind, including people switching jobs, irrespective of whether they are on benefit?  That could be guesstimated from ONS stats
- all job appointments for people who were not previously employed (irrespective of whether they were on benefit)
- all out-of-work benefit terminations (including full to partial UC) where the reason is recorded as finding work
- all out-of-work benefit terminations (including full to partial UC) for any reason
- all UC only cases where UC ends/reduces for any reason
- all UC only cases where UC ends/reduces for the specific reason that the claimant has found/increased work

Really only the last one wpould be anything to brag about, and even then you would want some comparison with outcomes for equivalent legacy benefit cases.  Otherwise, she might as well have claimed credit for the warm summer.

 

     
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The amount of hot air associated with UC has definitely contributed to a warm summer

     
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1,000 jobs a day !!!!

Did this include several marching bands, the entire sheep population of New Zealand and a swarm or two of locusts Esther ?