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acronyms in PIP assessments

Ruth_T
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I’ve just read an assessment report which states:

“In CQ she said ... .  Based on all the evidence available in HOC, SOH, MSE and IO, she is likely to be able to meet this task independently.”

I presume that CQ stands for Customer Questionnaire, but does anyone have any idea what the other acronyms stand for?

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I’m thinking MSE could be Medical Services Examination and IO could be Independent Observations, but I may be wrong!

Of course MSE could also be Mental State Examination??

SOH = Social & occupational History
HOC = History of Condition

[ Edited: 2 Oct 2015 at 09:32 am by Tracey D ]
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Could MSE be Musculoskeletal examination? I would agree with IO being Independant Observations.
I though these reports were meant to be written so a lay person can understand it. Surely the DM would not know what this means.

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4COL UGTBK! IMHO PA4’s SB AFZ AFAP.  IHTS that 404 any of them except MSE = Mental State Examination. SICNR, TTFN.

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Ruth_T - 01 October 2015 08:48 PM

I’ve just read an assessment report which states:

“In CQ she said ... .  Based on all the evidence available in HOC, SOH, MSE and IO, she is likely to be able to meet this task independently.”

I presume that CQ stands for Customer Questionnaire, but does anyone have any idea what the other acronyms stand for?

HOC: History of Conditions
SOH: Social and Occupational History
MSE: Mental State Examination/Musculoskeletal Examination
IO: Informal Observations

edit. They’re the headers of the boxes on pages 2 to 6 of the PA4

[ Edited: 2 Oct 2015 at 11:52 am by Dan_Manville ]
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These don’t appear in the lists at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/your-personal-information-understanding-dwp-abbreviations

Maybe DWP need to update them ...

Mike Hughes
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I have one with MSE, MSI and MSA in. Any clues?

A very funny explanation on a Youareable thread. Use your imagination.

Benny Fitzpatrick
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It’s all BS to me!

Plain English anyone?

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IO IO its of to work you will go.

Mike Hughes
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I am not going to be impressed until someone gets a report with YOLO in.

In the meantime, back on topic, I should have said my case involves no mental health element so it’s presumably more likely to be musculo-skeletal.

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Reminds me of the codes that American GI’s used to describe conditions when presenting an unofficial report to other GI’s arriving at a battle zone:

1. SNAFU – situation normal, all f****d up,
2. SCAFU – situation critical, all f****d up or
3. FUBAR – f****d up beyond all recognition.

Aaaanyway!  I recently did a UC sanction appeal where the judge and the PO spent the first 15-20 minutes trying to decipher the abbreviations used in internal DWP correspondence contained in its submission.  The judge was not amused.

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I blame old IDS for starting all this.

I Don’t give a S***.
Invariably Dodgy Statistics
I Do Sanctions
I Dislike Sympathy
Ideologically Driven Schemer

etc.

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Thanks to everyone who made helpful and/or amusing contributions.

It might have been useful if I’d noted at the outset that our client’s only problem was that she had learning difficulties.  So MSE in this context has to be Mental State Examination, since no Musculoskeletal Examination was undertaken.

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I was looking at an Upper Tribunal case, where permission had been given on a few grounds.  One of them was that the health care professional had viewed POID, and the Upper Tribunal Judge did not know what it was.

You can work it out, in time.

Mike Hughes
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One is very much inclined to go with the Urban Dictionary definition 😊

Please tell us all it was that 😊