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Cost of FTT?

MaggieB
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Has anyone an idea how much it costs DWP/public purse to administer an appeal. Can’t find anything anywhere other than general costs of millions. 
Trying to argue discretion not to recover an o/p of £100 which DWP are inisting on sending to FTT.. (no other grounds to challenge)
just thought it might be worth mentioning…

Ros
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hi,

see following extract from hansard on 26 january 2012 -

Mr Djanogly ...
The estimated total cost of the 112,320 ESA appeals disposed of from April 2011 to October 2011 in which the work capability assessment was a factor is £26.844 million.

These estimated costs were calculated by multiplying the average cost of an individual first-tier tribunal—Social Security and Child Support case in 2010-11 (the latest period for which these data are available)—by the number of ESA appeals disposed of in which the work capability assessment was a factor.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201212/cmhansrd/cm120126/text/120126w0002.htm#12012677000121


according to my calculation, 26,844,000 divided by 112,320 is 238.99573, so maybe answer is £238.99 for the tribunal element, although clearly that doesn’t take into account dwp cost.

Ariadne
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Interesting. The following are the daily fees for fee-paid (ie part-time) tribunal members (from the judicial salaries page on justice.gov.uk):
Social Security and Child Support
Judge 448
Medical Member (IIDB) 371
Medical Member (ESA/DLA)  310
Financial Member 302
Member with experience of disability 192

So the total daily fees for, say, a DLA day would be £950. Suppose they disposed of 6 oral cases, that’s nearly £160 per case in fees alone. Then there’s all the admin salaries and the rent of premises and so on. But it does vary a lot: I used to deal with half-day complex cases, sometimes with two sessions (£448 per case), and in a day of basic IS/JSA etc paper cases could do 15-20 (under £25).

Full time Tribunal judges are on just over £100k

Ruth_T
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Some months ago we represented a client who had appealed a decision that he had incurred an overpayment of income support of £135.  After losing at FTT the case went to Upper Tribunal and the decision was held to be erroneous in law.  When it was sent back to the Tribunals Service, a Judge issued directions to the DWP requesting a revised submission that addressed a particular legal point.  The Department was also invited to concede the appeal/use its discretion not to recover, in the light of the small sum involved.

Needless to say the DWP failed to provide a new submission and also failed to send a Presenting Officer, as directed. Neither did it concede. The client’s appeal was allowed, second time round.  I dread to think what all this cost the public purse - but our client was delighted.