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Pages. Appeal bundle.
Any advance?
Of course 😊
62 appeals for 31 appellants bundled together with 450 pages each!
1 appeal with 1,400 pages. Can’t recall the exact number as it was a good while back.
My 6 conjoined appeals concerning various overpayments (PC/HB/AA) totalling around £200,000 from a couple of years back probably beat a 1008 by a stretch….checking the papers at the start of the 2-day hearing probably took an hour. And we won!!!
Ah, a contest 😊
My 62 took all morning based on 2 lead cases. Took me and my then girlfriend several trips to get them into the tribunal venue, which was Manchester House in Manchester if my recall is correct. Now a very expensive but very nice restaurant. No help from the clerk. As we got the last lot in the PO spotted us and casually whispered “you do know I’m not going to put up a fight don’t you!”. Grr.
1 for IS and 1 for SDA. Eventual worth was, I think, £1.2 million 😊
Ah, a contest :)
My 62 took all morning based on 2 lead cases. Took me and my then girlfriend several trips to get them into the tribunal venue, which was Manchester House in Manchester if my recall is correct. Now a very expensive but very nice restaurant. No help from the clerk. As we got the last lot in the PO spotted us and casually whispered “you do know I’m not going to put up a fight don’t you!”. Grr.
1 for IS and 1 for SDA. Eventual worth was, I think, £1.2 million :)
You forgot to add ‘boom.’
I believe this to be modern etiquette.
Ah, a contest :)
My 62 took all morning based on 2 lead cases. Took me and my then girlfriend several trips to get them into the tribunal venue, which was Manchester House in Manchester if my recall is correct. Now a very expensive but very nice restaurant. No help from the clerk. As we got the last lot in the PO spotted us and casually whispered “you do know I’m not going to put up a fight don’t you!”. Grr.
1 for IS and 1 for SDA. Eventual worth was, I think, £1.2 million :)
You forgot to add ‘boom.’
I believe this to be modern etiquette.
Apologies John :)
Got one on the go at the moment where we’re at 822. However, last hearing was adjourned with directions made at my request that the SoS disclose all evidence that was seized from appellant’s home during raid by fraud investigators. A considerable amount of evidence is listed in the MR decisions included in the bundle but is not produced in the papers. It also appears that the evidence itemised in the MR decisions may not be a complete list of what was seized.
And I’m not including in the 822 figure the additional pages comprised of directions and directions requests that took place before the first hearing. Not sure I’ll beat 1008, but it’s looking likely.
You can sort of see why HMCTS might want to save money! We’re not exactly encouraging the paperless office!
I have had to, with some reluctance, start asking TS for large print appeal papers because of my VI. Inevitably the handling of this has been entertaining.
TS decide to send everything on A3 but in the same breath say they’ll ask DWP to do the job properly on A4. DWP send 2 different subs. which only do large print A4 of their typed template submission but don’t do any of the accompanying evidence magnified at all. Presumably they just want me to guess!
Inevitably doing it properly is going to disproportionately increase the number of pages in my bundles/
In the past a senior officer handed out agendas in A4 format to all sat around.
Except for a colleague with a VI. He presented hers in A3 format.
It was all a bit ‘The Office.’
I’ve had one with well over 1600 pages. I took it from a local solicitor when the client couldn’t get Legal Aid.
I rung the Solicitor and said that as I was walking down to the town that lunchtime I would call in and collect the papers. They said it was quite a big bundle but when I got there it filled one of those carboard boxes that printer paper comes in. I weighed it when I (eventually) got back to the office and it came out at 22 pounds - I had a back ache for three days but we eventually won the appeal!
You could all practice keeping your submissions to one side of A4 - just because you won your cases dosen’t mean judges won’t thank you all the more for brevity - or have I not understood the rules of this competition?
Gosh. the number of quils that you must get through and, what with the price of gold leaf and vellum, don’t the illuminated capitals impact on budgets?
Gosh. the number of quils that you must get through and, what with the price of gold leaf and vellum, don’t the illuminated capitals impact on budgets?
You mean there is another way of writing subs?
Gosh. the number of quils that you must get through and, what with the price of gold leaf and vellum, don’t the illuminated capitals impact on budgets?
You mean there is another way of writing subs?
I dictate mine to my admin worker - doesn’t everyone?
Gosh. the number of quils that you must get through and, what with the price of gold leaf and vellum, don’t the illuminated capitals impact on budgets?
You mean there is another way of writing subs?
I dictate mine to my admin worker - doesn’t everyone?
Luxury - when I were a lad we had to write our subs sitting in a hole in the road using a seagull feather and we had to catch the seagull first. T’ Council only gave us one piece of paper every three months and if we wanted any more we had to make it ourselves ...........................
In the past a senior officer handed out agendas in A4 format to all sat around.
Except for a colleague with a VI. He presented hers in A3 format.
It was all a bit ‘The Office.’
I dream of having a large print agenda - for anything!