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Dan Manville
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I’ve just made a claim for ESA for someone under our appointeeship and they’ve told me that said person would need to go to a health and work conversation within the next few weeks.

Que?

     
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https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/368367/response/903002/attach/3/4157 reply.pdf

Interesting idea to invite the appointee in though

     
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Previously:
http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewreply/47871/

It’s apparently an opportunity to build rapport and trust with your Work Coach - by way of a mandatory WFI, (designed in conjunction with the Behavioural Insights Team ...)

There are other FOI requests on this, e.g.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/dwps_health_and_work_conversatio_2

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/health_and_work_conversation_opt

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/sensitive_personal_data_during_w

     
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Thanks both

I’m going to go to this appointment; it will be fun :-)

I can imagine the conversation…

me “Hi it’s me again. You’re really glad that the really shouty psychotic person -lacking capacity- whom you invited isn’t here…”
them “gulp”
me “lolz. ta-ra”

I can’t see the policy lasting very long in it’s current form.

     
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Powerpoint attached from the OSEF presentation explains how they’re supposed to work.

Thing that got me is they piloted this on a voluntary basis and said everyone, claimants and work coaches, thought it worked really well at starting to build positive engagement.

Roll it out nationally and they make participation and attendance mandatory, at risk of sanction. There isn’t a wall I can bang my head on hard enough to describe how annoyed this kind of thing makes me…..

     

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Paul_Treloar_AgeUK - 15 March 2017 03:35 PM

Thing that got me is they piloted this on a voluntary basis and said everyone, claimants and work coaches, thought it worked really well at starting to build positive engagement

Next you’ll be telling me it was only because they were looking at a small self-selected sample of people who chose to be there…

     
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Paul_Treloar_AgeUK - 15 March 2017 03:35 PM

. There isn’t a wall I can bang my head on hard enough to describe how annoyed this kind of thing makes me…..

Nevermind the fact that they appear to be using WFI legislation to mandate these activities so once a WFI is arranged it can only be deferred and not waived.

So we will have really ill people -such as my shouty psychotic person- tethered to an appointment they’ve no real hope of attending and the number of Good Cause for FTA appeals are likely to go through the roof as FTA is likely the only way we will sever the tether.

     
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(1) I;‘m interested in the goals - “This goal can be related to health and work but does not need to be about either of these”.  Is it because of the crisis in the NHS that Work Coaches are now acting as medical professionals - what if the goal is ” use garlic to get rid of my tumour”/ “throw away my medication to see if I can manage without” ?  And if the personal goal is not about work or health what would it be about?  (I have always wanted to visit New York, dye my hair, learn Esperanto?) 

(2) There is a real problem with this - it moves very sharply doesn’t it from the friendly “getting to know” and “giving support” to the “devise Claimant Commitment” carrying with it sanctions.  Organisations representing people with mental health problems have identified this area as particularly difficult and in many cases unethical. The term “psycho-coercion” is being increasingly used, and it’s worrying that charities and professional groups seem to be going along with this.

     
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Ruth Knox - 20 March 2017 11:24 AM

(1) I;‘m interested in the goals - “This goal can be related to health and work but does not need to be about either of these”.  Is it because of the crisis in the NHS that Work Coaches are now acting as medical professionals - what if the goal is ” use garlic to get rid of my tumour”/ “throw away my medication to see if I can manage without” ?  And if the personal goal is not about work or health what would it be about?  (I have always wanted to visit New York, dye my hair, learn Esperanto?) 

(2) There is a real problem with this - it moves very sharply doesn’t it from the friendly “getting to know” and “giving support” to the “devise Claimant Commitment” carrying with it sanctions.  Organisations representing people with mental health problems have identified this area as particularly difficult and in many cases unethical. The term “psycho-coercion” is being increasingly used, and it’s worrying that charities and professional groups seem to be going along with this.

They also told us at the stakeholders that claimant commitments for ESA claimants will be introduced in the Autumn…