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Assuming what the telegraph says is correct, then YES.  And it seems quite reasonable to me.  This whole issue of residence could have been settled by now if it wasn’t for the obstructiveness of the EU - particularly Germany - & their insistence on leaving it until Article 50 is triggered.

     
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let the whiff whaff commence..

The Conservative government is likely to be defeated in the House of Lords over the issue of securing the rights of EU citizens living in the UK, despite a last minute plea from the home secretary, Amber Rudd.

Peers are lining up to support a Labour party amendment – which now has the formal backing of a Conservative, a Liberal Democrat and a crossbencher – calling on ministers to bring forward proposals to protect Europeans resident in Britain within three months of article 50 being triggered.

Theresa May faces defeat in Lords over rights of EU citizens

     
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Guess for completion, we should add this here:

European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017

     
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shawn - 17 March 2017 03:16 PM

Guess for completion, we should add this here:

European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017

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Hold onto your hats, here we go….

The UK’s Permanent Representative to the European Union, Sir Tim Barrow, has this morning informed the office of European Council President, Donald Tusk, of the UK’s intention to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty on March 29, 2017.

Article 50 to be triggered on 29 March

Whoops-a-daisy, they clean forgot to tell anyone in Scotland they were going to do this though allegedly…

Michael Russell, who is leading the Scottish government’s Brexit talks with Westminster, said he only found out the date when it was reported by the BBC.

Mr Russell, who is a member of the Joint Ministerial Committee (JMC) on EU negotiations, tweeted: “Thank you @BBCNews for letting JMC members like me know that #Article50 is to be triggered next week”.

He added that the UK government “somehow forgot to inform us”.

Scottish government ‘not told’ about Article 50 date

      [ Edited: 20 Mar 2017 at 04:27 pm by Paul_Treloar_AgeUK ]
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Ahead of the publication of the Great Repeal Bill white paper today ....

From the Guardian:

The government’s great repeal bill will create sweeping temporary powers to allow ministers to tweak laws that would otherwise not “work appropriately” after Brexit, David Davis is expected to announce.

According to a leaked copy of his statement to MPs, obtained by the Guardian, Davis will tell MPs that as well as transposing aspects of EU legislation into UK law, the bill, which will be tabled later this year, will create a new power to “correct the statute book”.

“Once EU law has been converted into domestic law, parliament will be able to pass legislation to amend, repeal or improve any piece of EU law it chooses – as will the devolved legislatures, where they have power to do so,” he is expected to say.

“However, further steps will be needed to provide a smooth and orderly exit. This is because a large number of laws – both existing domestic laws and those we convert into UK law – will not work properly if we leave the EU without taking further action.

To overcome this, the great repeal bill will provide a power to correct the statute book where necessary to resolve the problems which will occur as a consequence of leaving the EU ...”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/30/great-repeal-bill-will-create-sweeping-powers-to-change-laws-after-brexit

     
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Here we go .... The Great Repeal Bill: White Paper ..

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-great-repeal-bill-white-paper

     
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Summary of main provisions ....

The Great Repeal Bill will do three main things:

a. First, it will repeal the European Communities Act 1972 and return power to UK institutions.

b. Second, subject to the detail of the proposals set out in this White Paper, the Bill will convert EU law as it stands at the moment of exit into UK law before we leave the EU, and ensure that it will be up to the UK Parliament (and, where appropriate, the devolved legislatures) to amend, repeal or improve any piece of EU law (once it has been brought into UK law) at the appropriate time once we have left the EU.

c. Finally, the Bill will create powers to make secondary legislation. This will enable corrections to be made to the laws that would otherwise no longer operate appropriately once we have left the EU, so that our legal system continues to function correctly outside the EU, and will also enable domestic law once we have left the EU to reflect the content of any withdrawal agreement under Article 50.

     
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Re: Case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) -

- the Great Repeal Bill will not provide any role for the CJEU in the interpretation of new law passed by UK Parliament (and, as appropriate, the devolved legislatures), and the Bill will not require the domestic courts to consider the CJEU’s jurisprudence.

- any question as to the meaning of EU-derived law will be determined in the UK courts by reference to the CJEU’s case law as it exists on the day we leave the EU.  (Although, insofar as case law concerns an aspect of EU law that is not being converted into UK law, that element of the case law will not need to be applied by the UK courts.)

- the Bill will provide that historic CJEU case law be given the same binding, or precedent, status in our courts as decisions of our own Supreme Court.

     
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And re the need for new legislation:

Making sure domestic law works as we leave the EU will be a substantial challenge for both Government and Parliament in complexity and planning to deal with a number of scenarios. In the previous two Parliaments, an average of 1,338 (2005-10) and 1,071 (2010-15) statutory instruments were made per year. A proportion of this secondary legislation, as it has been every year, was implementing EU law. We currently estimate that the necessary corrections to the law will require between 800 and 1,000 statutory instruments. This is in addition to those statutory instruments that will be necessary for purposes other than leaving the EU.

... Given the scale of the changes that will be necessary and the finite amount of time available to make them, there is a balance that will have to be struck between the importance of scrutiny and the speed of this process.

     
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Interesting post from Ian Dunt on politics.co.uk about Brexit and the draft EU guidelines about the forthcoming negotiations.

If you put a frog in boiling water, it jumps out. If you put it in cold water and slowly turn up the heat, it will sit there and boil to death without noticing. Looking at the reality of Britain’s EU predicament now, just a couple days into Article 50, everything feels a million miles away from where we were even a few weeks ago. It bears no comparison whatsoever with the fevered optimism of the referendum campaign.

Back then, the Brexiters promised free unicorns to everyone and a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow. There’d be more money for the NHS, more control for the British people, everyone would know their neighbours again and a friendly bobby would stroll on every street. Today, the conversation is, at the very best, about minimising the negative repercussions of Brexit. It has gone from a solution to everything to a problem for everyone.

Week in Review: A cold dose of reality for Team May

     
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House of Commons Library briefing paper on Legislating for Brexit: EU directives

What are EU directives and what will happen to them when the UK leaves the EU? This paper looks at EU directives in force and how they are implemented in the UK. This will give some idea of the task ahead for UK legislators.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7943

     
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Sometimes there are no words to describe the utterly idiotic and inhumane robots in the Home Office. I don’t think I want to live here anymore, let alone this poor family….

A Dutch and Spanish couple who have lived in Britain all their adult lives have told of their “devastation” after the Home Office refused their post-referendum application to have their two London-born children recognised as permanent residents of the country.

Jan-Dinant Schreuder and Monica Obiols, both 49, found themselves in a “bureaucratic nightmare” when they were told their 15-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter had to provide more evidence that they lived permanently with their parents.

UK denies residency to London-born children of Dutch-Spanish couple

     
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Home Office has now published guidance on EU nationals etc on gov.uk.

Status of EU nationals in the UK: what you need to know

Faisal Islam of Sky News claims this is to try and reduce the volume of applications for residence cards etc as HO currently overwhelmed.

Faisal Islam - twitter

     
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From retired judge Henry Brooke - his assessment of the legal complexities around the costs of Brexit and how we seem to be caught between the devil and the deep blue sea…

https://sirhenrybrooke.me/2017/05/10/brexit-musings-1-the-cost-of-withdrawal/

The European Parliamanet has also issued estimates of how many EU citizens are in the UK ahead of a hearing this week to consider thier rights.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20170505STO73508/brexit-protecting-the-rights-of-millions-of-eu-citizens-living-in-the-uk

     
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The EU has set out its initial negotiating position, including for the protection of social security and residence rights post-Brexit, in a draft position paper -

Essential Principles on Citizens’ Rights

... includes the general principle for the same level of protection as at date of withdrawal to remain in place for life for EU27 citizens in the UK and for UK nationals in EU27 states.

The European Commission website -  Article 50 negotiations with the United Kingdom - also links to a draft position paper on exit payments: Essential principles on the financial settlement.

      [ Edited: 6 Jun 2017 at 11:33 am by stuart ]
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For anyone interested, from the excellent House of Commons library:

This reading list brings together briefings on Brexit by the Parliamentary libraries and the Devolved Assembly research services with reports by Parliamentary and Devolved Assembly committees following the result of the EU Referendum on 23 June 2016.

Brexit: a reading list of post-EU Referendum publications by Parliament and the Devolved Assemblies

     
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Next year’s Queen’s Speech cancelled ...

Parliament will sit for two years instead of the usual one to give MPs enough time to fully consider the laws required to make Britain ready for Brexit

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-confirm-two-year-parliament-to-deliver-brexit-and-beyond

     
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Government sets out proposed post-Brexit benefit rights of EU nationals living in the UK

https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/welfare-rights/news/item/government-sets-out-proposed-post-brexit-benefit-rights-of-eu-nationals-liv

     
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New Commons Library briefing:  Brexit and state pensions

     
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Seems like some in Europe are less than convinced by our government’s opening generous offer….

A preliminary assessment of what Downing Street has called its ‘generous offer’ showed up a series of problems that would need to be negotiated away, the EU’s remaining 27 member states were told during a presentation by the commission this week.

There was a “general lack of clarity ... many issues still to be clarified, no reciprocity, [a] lack of legal certainty, no lifelong protection against future changes of UK law [and] no directly enforceable vested rights and no European court of justice”.

Neither could the British government’s opening stance published on Monday, across 15 pages, be described as a “reciprocal offer” as citizens in the UK and in the EU would be subject to different laws and courts, the commission said.

“UK law for EU citizens v EU law for UK nationals [on the continent is] more favourable for UK nationals,” it was claimed.

The EU side had also called for for the establishment of smooth administrative procedures for those seeking to stay in the UK after Brexit in their position paper, yet “all shall apply for settled status, including children” under the UK’s proposal, the commission briefed the member states, adding that there would be “administrative formalities for all citizens and each family member”.

EU children may have to apply to stay in UK after Brexit – leaked report

     
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Good analysis of the UK govt position on the Free Movement website

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/analysis-what-is-the-uk-proposing-for-eu-citizens-in-the-uk-and-eu-citizens-in-the-eu/

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Thanks Billy. This bit in particular resonates, as we’d included a recommendation in a briefing for local advisers that applying for a permanent residence card might be a good idea to cement the right to remain in the UK for older pensioners who were worried:

Had this plan been proposed shortly after the referendum result, it would have at least reassured EU nationals living in the UK and it would also made made clear there was no need to apply for permanent residence documents. At this point in time, though, it makes clear the loss of almost all EU law residence rights and puts two fingers up at those EU nationals who have applied for permanent residence in the meantime, concerned as they were to do whatever they could to make their position feel more secure.

Grrrrr…..

     
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Y’er tis…the Great Repeal Bill is published…

European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

     
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UK and EU joint summary of current positions on citizens’ rights - areas of divergence include rights of future family members and the export of benefits ….

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/joint-technical-note-on-the-comparison-of-eu-uk-positions-on-citizens-rights

     
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New govt policy paper that discusses ‘options for enforcement and dispute resolution mechanisms for UK-EU agreements’:

The direct jurisdiction of the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) in the UK will end at the point of our withdrawal from the EU.

The UK and the EU need therefore to agree on how both the provisions of the Withdrawal Agreement, and our new deep and special partnership, can be monitored and implemented to the satisfaction of both sides, and how any disputes which arise can be resolved.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/enforcement-and-dispute-resolution-a-future-partnership-paper

     
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Enormous briefing paper from House of Commons library on the withdrawal Bill.

European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

The complexity of this Bill, in and of itself, is staggering, and that’s while we’re still at the start of this process…..

     
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Just spotted on twitter that gov.uk page on permanent residence cards states that:

Your residence card won’t be valid after the UK leaves the EU.

Simon Cox, a lawyer specialising in migration issues who some of you might know, has asked Amber Rudd when Parliament approved this change (via twitter again)

They’re shurely not making it up as they go along, are they…...??

      [ Edited: 27 Sep 2017 at 02:52 pm by Paul_Treloar_AgeUK ]
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Uodate email from Home Office which states:

The fifth round of the negotiation between the EU and UK concluded yesterday.

We are closer to agreeing all elements of the rights of EU citizens living in the UK and the reciprocal rights of UK citizens living in the EU – but there is more discussion required.

On key issues, such as the broad framework of residence rights for EU citizens and their family members, social security entitlements and reciprocal healthcare, the UK and EU have largely reached agreement.

On remaining areas, both the UK and EU are focussing on providing certainty for citizens as quickly as possible.

Discussions this week have narrowed the focus to the key remaining issues for negotiations.

The UK has also provided further information on its settled status scheme to be introduced next year. It will be streamlined, digital and low cost. As we have said previously, you do not need a document now to prove that you are resident in the UK.

For those who already have EU permanent residence documents the process will be very straightforward, with greatly reduced or zero cost to applicants to update their status under the new scheme.