Discussion: A Baffling Comment by HCP and DM.

22 May 2017, 11:16 am

Terry Craven
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The schedule of evidence contains the following quote several times by the HCP repeated by the DM. It concerns a claimant with petit mal epilepsy. It can also be found in descriptors where the Claimant has not indicated a need connected to her epilepsy. I’d be obliged is anybody can explain it????
” Conditions history shows she has petit mal (absence seizures) four or five times per week which is not the majority of the time for this type of seizure”
Also I am looking for the PIP decision, which states the test for engaging socially is not a claimant’s ability to engage with the HCP. It is broader than that.
Any assistance will be gratefully received. Thank you

22 May 2017, 11:44 am #1

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Is CPIP/2685/2016 the one you’re thinking of?

There are more that might be helpful on pipinfo - https://pipinfo.net/activities/engaging-with-other-people-face-to-face

22 May 2017, 11:55 am #2

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Not baffling. Just demonstrates total ignorance by HCP and DM of:
1) The nature of epilepsy
2) Requirement for supervision/monitoring
3) Method of calculating “majority of the time”.

22 May 2017, 12:49 pm #3

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I have one at moment with, Depression & Anxiety and ADHD. The HCP (a paramedic) writes “ADHD only effects him badly 3 days a week, so ADHD not a problem the majority of the week “, Genius. Hilarious if it wasn’t so serious.

22 May 2017, 03:10 pm #4

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“Claimant did not look depressed”!

22 May 2017, 03:41 pm #5

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“Also I am looking for the PIP decision, which states the test for engaging socially is not a claimant’s ability to engage with the HCP. It is broader than that.
Any assistance will be gratefully received. Thank you”

PM v SSWP (PIP) [2017] UKUT 0154 (AAC)
CPIP/3622 /2016

Includes the following: “The ability, therefore, to engage with people known to her (family and existing friends) or with whom she needs to engage for a specific and limited purpose (health professionals or the tribunal) is insufficient to engage the baseline (zero scoring) descriptor.”

This decision also has useful stuff about medication (the tribunal had said (in effect) that she’d be fine if she upped her meds) and about mobility (re what is reasonably required being in the context of regularly and repeatedly.

Good luck!

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22 May 2017, 05:47 pm #6

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Giles Elliott - 22 May 2017 03:41 PM
“Also I am looking for the PIP decision, which states the test for engaging socially is not a claimant’s ability to engage with the HCP. It is broader than that.
Any assistance will be gratefully received. Thank you”

PM v SSWP (PIP) [2017] UKUT 0154 (AAC)
CPIP/3622 /2016

Includes the following: “The ability, therefore, to engage with people known to her (family and existing friends) or with whom she needs to engage for a specific and limited purpose (health professionals or the tribunal) is insufficient to engage the baseline (zero scoring) descriptor.”

This decision also has useful stuff about medication (the tribunal had said (in effect) that she’d be fine if she upped her meds) and about mobility (re what is reasonably required being in the context of regularly and repeatedly.

Good luck!

Thank you.