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Urgent question on SSAC recommendations due at 12.30 -

‘Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, Debbie Abrahams, is to ask an Urgent Question on the Social Security Advisory Committee’s recommendations on the new Personal Independence Payments regulations 2017 due to come into force on 16 March’

http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2017/march/urgent-question-on-personal-independence-payment-regulations-2017/

     
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Listening to this. The number of what the late Simon Hoggart would have called ‘greaser’ questions from the government benches is appalling, feeding the SoS lines so he can praise PIP to the skies and avoid the subject on hand.

He claims only a 3% success rate in appeals and has again claimed that people only win appeals because they bring new medical evidence to appeals. This claim has been disproved before.

     
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Andrew Dutton - 15 March 2017 01:24 PM

Listening to this. The number of what the late Simon Hoggart would have called ‘greaser’ questions from the government benches is appalling, feeding the SoS lines so he can praise PIP to the skies and avoid the subject on hand.

He claims only a 3% success rate in appeals and has again claimed that people only win appeals because they bring new medical evidence to appeals. This claim has been disproved before.

I think that the ‘3% success rate’ is probably referring to the DWP’s own ‘win-rate’ at appeal :D

In seriousness, cannot see how they have come up with that figure?

     
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SamW - 15 March 2017 03:25 PM

I think that the ‘3% success rate’ is probably referring to the DWP’s own ‘win-rate’ at appeal :D

In seriousness, cannot see how they have come up with that figure?

Firstly by omitting any reference to how few cases get beyond MR, then I think DWP get the 3 per cent from looking at successful appeals - for example here 39,292 successes out of of 69,517 hearings and comparing number of successes to total number of claims over same period (not exact match but current statistics show more than 1.2 million claims in payment).

 

     
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Minister responds to SSAC recommendations - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-personal-independence-payment-amendment-regulations-2017-ssac-correspondence

We did not consult further before amending these Regulations as the PIP assessment criteria were consulted on extensively prior to their introduction. Having carefully considered the Committees’ comments, we still believe that the decision we made was correct and have no plans to consult.

     
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The Indepedent reports the regs may be challenged in the Lords.

Labour will attempt to pass a “regret motion” in the Lords which, if successful, would force the Government to produce a report to explain why it is ignoring its own experts.

The vote on the motion is likely to take place on 29 March, with a separate Liberal Democrat attempt to force a rethink also mooted that week.

Regret motions rarely force a change in policy – but did succeed both over planned increases in court fees and, most famously, over cuts to tax credits.

Lords to carry fight against disability benefit changes condemned by Government’s own experts

     
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SamW - 15 March 2017 03:25 PM

I think that the ‘3% success rate’ is probably referring to the DWP’s own ‘win-rate’ at appeal :D

In seriousness, cannot see how they have come up with that figure?

3% is the proportion of the total caseload that succeed at appeal; when you put it into context; that only 6 point something percent of PIP decisions are appealed suddenly it makes sense.

Lies; damned lies and statistics at their very best.

     
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Just to let you know that we updated our pip info web tool last week to take account of the new regs…

     
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stuart - 15 March 2017 04:23 PM
SamW - 15 March 2017 03:25 PM

I think that the ‘3% success rate’ is probably referring to the DWP’s own ‘win-rate’ at appeal :D

In seriousness, cannot see how they have come up with that figure?

Firstly by omitting any reference to how few cases get beyond MR, then I think DWP get the 3 per cent from looking at successful appeals - for example here 39,292 successes out of of 69,517 hearings and comparing number of successes to total number of claims over same period (not exact match but current statistics show more than 1.2 million claims in payment).

So if I say that only 3% of cases don’t succeed at appeal, I’ll be supported by the DWP?

     
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Anyone know if similar amendments to the regs are going to be made in Northern Ireland?

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Jane

     
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Regret motion in the House of Lords backed by 162 to 154

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-peers-order-theresa-think-10109895

     
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Emergency debate on PIP amendments to take place tomorrow 29 March - https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/846705332864847873

     
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Daphne - 28 March 2017 03:39 PM

Emergency debate on PIP amendments to take place tomorrow 29 March - https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/846705332864847873

I wonder whether we’ll get an explanation for the absence of S26 notices for all the appeals lingering at the UT…

     
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I wonder if the Secretary of State will again claim that there is only a 3% success rate at appeal and blame claimants for winning appeals by holding back evidence.

     
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Penny Mordaunt in a written answer yesterday said new regs won’t lead to ‘reductions’ in awards, but may lead to ‘adjustments’... -

‘This is not a policy change, nor is it intended to make new savings. It will not result in any claimants, regardless of their health condition, seeing a reduction in the amount of PIP previously awarded by DWP.

We are aware of a small number of cases, around 50 cases currently, where people may have been awarded a higher level of PIP by a tribunal. This could occur if their case was heard at appeal and a tribunal made a higher award, applying the rulings of the Upper Tribunal. We will not be claiming back the money these individuals received during the period before the new regulations came into force and are considering whether to adjust their payments to bring them in line with the amended PIP regulations.’

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2017-03-23/68941