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Suzanne
                              

WRO, Edinburgh Welfare Rights Team
Member since
27th Oct 2004

REA...HELP!
Wed 24-Nov-04 03:36 PM

DWP have lost clients file, client has been in recpt of REA for about 20 years. DWP are now paying by interim payments, they say as file has been missing for several months client must fill out REA and Ind Inj forms, he must also attend a medical. This is so they can " rebuild the file to a standard which is acceptable to maintain payments". They also advise that REA is reviewed every 2-3 years to confirm entitlement. I suppose in case my clients fingers/hand grows back! Any ideas? Does client have to fill in forms again and go to medical?

Cheers
Suzanne

  

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RE: REA...HELP!, bensup, 25th Nov 2004, #1
RE: REA...HELP!, jj, 26th Nov 2004, #2

bensup
                              

Benefits Supervisor, Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria Citizens Advice Bureau
Member since
24th May 2004

RE: REA...HELP!
Thu 25-Nov-04 02:52 PM

Not sure if this will be of help to you but we had a similar case recently.

The client was so indignant - rightly so! - think this came accross to the IIDB dept who suggested he come to us for help.

We wrote to the IIDB dept and got the local MP's office to write too.

The client did have to complete a claim form, purely, the dept tell us, because they had absolutely no details for him at all, however he did not have to go for a medical, his benefit just continued at the same rate.

Nicky

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: REA...HELP!
Fri 26-Nov-04 04:27 PM

i assume your client has a life award of IIDB. the DWP appear to be throwing its weight around, when in fact, it is seeking your client's help to rectify it's administrative failure. your client has already complied with the legal requirements to claiming, and been given a life award. he should not have to attend a further medical, and imo should not have to complete a further IIDB claim form. REA i think requires renewal claims and are finite awards, so he will probably have to complete a new form.

DWP should be able to tell you what steps _it_ has taken to enable a reconstruction of the missing file. i'm not sure what computer records they might be expected to have on DisBen awards - i'm out of touch - but you can ask them. there should be records of the instrument of payment elsewhere besides on the missing file.

there also ought to be a clerical case file for him somewhere, (known as a GBU)which is not the same as the missing file (BI 2). The GBU ought to contain a document called a benefit history sheet, which is a 'not for destruction' document. Those documents have fallen into disuse since computerisation, but from 20 years ago, the details of an IIDB award should have been entered on the BHS.

it's also likely that the renewal of an REA award has taken place in the last 1 to 3 years, and if this still involves clerical action (recording the award on the BI 2) the DWP could cross-check the decision-maker's record sheet of decisions (LT51 ?). the awards often coincide with the expiry of the order book, so your client might be able to help pinpoint the month.

since the DWP became enamoured of contracted out remote storage around 10 years ago, modifying their ...ahem...destruction policies, this info might not be much help at all, but it might be worth asking if they have looked.

the point is, the DWP have lost his file and failed to protect his data, and if they are saying to you that he must complete a new form and attend a medical, then they are also saying that the DWP has a wholly inadequate record- keeping system in place, placing claimant's interests and public funds at risk. it should be inconceivable that the only evidence of your client's entitlement is to be found in the missing file. what kind of audit system should accept that? this is a serious administrative failure and the DWP is accountable for it. yet it has placed the rectification of the failure of its systems onto your client. why should that be acceptable?

it is not improbable that the DWP has done very little to look for evidence to enable the reconstruction, approaching your client as a first resort not a last resort. I think Nicky's approach, above, is appropriate, and the DWP's approach is totally inappropriate.

i suspect however, that they will be very uneasy about not having a signed claim from him, and they will want him to complete a new one. the old one was much shorter, incidently. since any form he completes now will not support the payments made to him for the last 20 years, it would make more sense if he made a statement to the effect that he made a properly completed claim in whenever, giving what details he is able of his awards, and the d/accident, employer etc, leaving it to a rep of the sec of state to place a record in his new file recording the loss of original documents and accepting that a valid claim and awards were made. there should be sufficient secondary evidence available to the Sec of State to accept that it is so, and the interim payments being made suggest that they don't actually doubt it.

jj



  

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