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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Wed 27-Oct-04 07:17 PM

stainsby asks a good question (on the HB forum) about who decides what decisions get on the commissioners' website.

i have in my possession, thanks to a comrade from sheffield (cheers steve!) a copy of CG/1479/1999 - a solid gold decision by Commisioner Mesher.

i couldn't trace it on the commissioner's website - maybe it's not rare at all, but i hadn't come across it before, and if rightsnet doesn't have it, i'd be glad to share it. if everybody already knows about this decision except me : ), consider this a review or a promo!

the timing is interesting - the case spans pre and post SS Act 1998. the original disallowance (of an ICA claim) was by an adjudication officer. the arguments put to the Commissioner on behalf of the Secretary of State are interesting to track. Commissioner Mesher's comments are even more interesting.

here are some quotes.

" I reject that submission, which would undermine the whole basis of having alternative routes available for the claimant."

"I have no power to give any ruling about the propriety of that action. I must concentrate on the duties of the adjudication officer in those circumstances."

and this beaut -

" That might possibly be so if all that one was looking at was administrative efficiency in a narrow sense (although even then I am not sure what was so efficient in the pre April 1997 system in encouraging ICA claimants to claim as soon as DLA was claimed, only for the ICA claim inevitably to be rejected, making a further claim necessary later). However...an adjudication officer would be required to consider all relevant factors, including the interests of the ICA claimant and the disabled person as well as administrative efficiency."

and

" The advantage for the Benefit Agency, (putting aside what would be an improper motive of avoiding paying benefit to the claimant which would otherwise have become payable) was of not having to keep the file alive, but..."

one of the beauties of this decision, is that the Sec of State is hoist in the petard of his own earlier arguments against a Court of Appeal action by CPAG, when they were fighting delays in referring cases to AO's within 14 days.

BUT THE REALLY SIGNIFICANT FEATURE OF THIS DECISION, IMO, IS THE COMMISSIONER RULED, IN EFFECT, THAT AN ADMINISTRATIVE PRACTICE CAN BE AN ERROR IN LAW.

it's also my view, that post 1998 Act, the Commissioner, and tribunals DO have the power to rule on certain actions of the Sec of State.

The Commissioners' argument against their abolition, which may be too strong a word, is their crucial role in the interests of justice, especially now there is no separation of powers. If the government legislates _and_ administers the law, _and_ interprets the meaning of the law, then it is above the law, and not constrained by it. The government might not like the argument, but if it opposes it, it argues for elective dictatorship and the right to abuse citizens.

any views?

jj



  

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RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, ken, 28th Oct 2004, #1
RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, jj, 28th Oct 2004, #2
RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, ss, 28th Oct 2004, #3
RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, nevip, 29th Oct 2004, #4
      RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, ken, 03rd Nov 2004, #5
           RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, nevip, 04th Nov 2004, #6
           RE: whats this!? what's this! - where did that radical shift come from...?, jj, 05th Nov 2004, #7
           RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, mike shermer, 08th Nov 2004, #8
                RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, Andrew_Fisher, 08th Nov 2004, #9
                     RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, ken, 08th Nov 2004, #10
                          RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, Andrew_Fisher, 08th Nov 2004, #11
                               RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, mike shermer, 08th Nov 2004, #12
                                    RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, ss, 08th Nov 2004, #13
                                         RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, nevip, 09th Nov 2004, #14
                                              RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, ss, 22nd Nov 2004, #15
                                                   RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, Shona, 24th Nov 2004, #16
                                                        RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, ss, 27th Nov 2004, #17
                                                             RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?, ken, 08th Dec 2004, #18

ken
                              

Charter member

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Thu 28-Oct-04 09:05 AM

Hi jj,

If you can e-mail a copy of CG/1479/1999 to us, or fax it to us on 0207 247 9924, we can make it available on rightsnet.

Thanks,

ken

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Thu 28-Oct-04 06:14 PM

ken, i've faxed a copy to you. let me know if you didn't get it.

cheers

jj

  

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ss
                              

health and disability advice worker, foxhill & parson cross advice centre, sheffield
Member since
28th Oct 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Thu 28-Oct-04 08:17 PM

You're welcome for the CD, JJ.

I'm going to use it as part of an argument in appeal against a decision refusing to back date ICA.

The CD seems to be saying that an ICA/CA DM's failure to delay decsions until decisions on claims for qualifying disabilty benefits are made is an error in law.

The CD seems too good to be true. It was written in 1999 yet CA DMs are still doing it. I am worried that this CD may have been "trumped" by another CD, but I can't find any such thing.

I'll let y'all know the outcome of the appeal.

Steve

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Fri 29-Oct-04 09:10 AM

Steve

I do not know the details of your client's case but is it not covered by Reg'6 of the Claims and Payment Regs?

Regards
Paul

  

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ken
                              

Charter member

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Wed 03-Nov-04 02:02 PM

Wed 08-Dec-04 11:24 AM by ken

Thanks to jj, CG/1479/99 is now available on rightsnet.

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Thu 04-Nov-04 03:44 PM

Hi JJ

Have read and re-read your beautiful decision. Also read and re-read Reg 6(16)-(18) C&P Regs, Section 20&21 of The Admin Act and Reg 8 of The D&A Regs but cannot find anything to suggest (in light of s20&21 being repealed and replaced by Reg8) that a person cannot open up the refusal of the initial CA claim, at any time after the DLA/AA award. Is this right? (I hope so!). If so, I presume it applies to all relevant benefits, such as IS, and not just CA.

Lke SS, I had not come across this decision before. Where has the little beggar been hiding?

Regards
Paul

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: whats this!? what's this! - where did that radical shift come from...?
Fri 05-Nov-04 06:01 PM

hi Paul

i wish i knew, in case there are more like it! not sure if steve knows either.

your question about the regs has me scratching my brains, which are in a sorry state this friday pm - i've over done it on the late nights this week, no thanks to the repugnicans...

if i've understood correctly, the case in the C-D was just outside the 13 month limit in reg 8 of DMA. C & P reg 6 (18), i think, imposes a 3 month limit from the date the qualifying benefit was awarded. steve mentioned to me that on his case there was a bit of a saga about letters not received, not sure of the details, but i'm guessing that the second claim's been ruled out of reg 6. not sure if reg. 8 (DMA) was considered. i don't think i've ever used it. i've a horrid feeling i'm missing something somewhere but i can't think at the moment. have i misunderstood these limits?

Commisioner Mesher endorses the basis of having alternative routes available to claimants, rejecting a limitation argument attempt (para 11) hurrah! and in para 25 recognizes that the DWP's procedures exposed the claimant to the risk that long delay in the DLA process migh take him beyond the then 12 month limit for backdating (old rules) or the risk that some misunderstanding or forgetfulness or other factor might cause a delay in makng the fresh claim, and a loss of benefit. (on going risk). hurrah again!

the Commissioner recognized what the BA was determined to de-recognize, hence the 1998 Act, and that was that in admininistering an incredibly complex benefit system, based on legislation enacted by Parliament, the DWP cannot absolve itself of all responsibility to assist claimants to obtain their rights, and shift it all onto the claimant.

the farcical nature of a government department which instructs people to claim ICA immediately DLA is claimed, and then disallows it on the day it's received is blindingly self-evident, and the disgrace is that the BA chose to argue for it, (and paid lawyers public money to do it...) rather than hang its blushing head. the Commissioner saw right through it. three more cheers! but the BA was on a self-serving mission (boo)...and what a huge inequality in arms!

and now we have disallowance notices issued which say you are not entitled to receive JSA or whatever, PERIOD. for crying out loud, they only had to key in a one digit number to print a reason for disallowance, and even that's too much trouble. so now the claimant has to phone up to ask why he's not entitled, and as like as not is given a load of cock over the phone, and accepts it.

i'm personally of the view that the Commisioner's error in law through administrative practices ruling is an envelope waiting to be pushed, and where it's been hiding is a very good question indeed!!!! i don't know how far it would stretch, but i think injustice through unfair (and self-serving, and improper in exactly the sense used by the commissioner - to save the government money) administration is an area worthy of some more focused thinking...

incidentally, i'm sure there was some court ruling about the expectation that judicial decision-makers of all kinds should give reasons for their decisions, and with the abolition of adjudication officers, i'm sensing that the DWP is reaching to also shed any responsibility for applying legal expertise in social security law to the second tier, completely changing their own and the tribunals functions and responsibilities. andrew fisher touched on this radical shift in the 'serpes' thread.

this must be my Friday rant, paul. : ) i seem to have gone from 'the land of lost socks' to arrive at this - the biggest government department is contemptuous of the law, and contemptuous of the public it exists to serve. and if this applies across the board to all government departments...?

why am i not surprised blair doesn't want to let europe anywhere near tax and social security and...?

it's le weekend, paul - thanks, and have a good one!

jj






  

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mike shermer
                              

Welfare Benefits Officer, Kings Lynn & West Norfolk Borough Council, Kings l
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Mon 08-Nov-04 08:02 AM

Ken

Is it just me - this particular link just will not load - page cannot be displayed and all that - all the others in that particular section wil, it just seems to be that one ?

  

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Andrew_Fisher
                              

Welfare Rights Adviser, Stevenage Citizens Advice Bureau
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Mon 08-Nov-04 09:10 AM

Mike it does take ages to load and my screen flickered unnervingly during the process. So I gave up first attempt and right clicked on the link and 'saved target as'; if you do that you get a steadily rising percentage so at least you know it's downloading.

We don't necessarily all need to be speeding to London to save Ken and Shawn and Jean from heinous Governmental interference (yet).

  

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ken
                              

Charter member

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Mon 08-Nov-04 11:38 AM

We've checked the link to CG/1479/99 in this discussion forum thread and the link avaialble to it in the Cmmrs decisions on rightsnet area of swopshop and both are working OK.

Unfortunately the pdf is somewhat slow to download due to its 4.6 megabytes size.

  

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Andrew_Fisher
                              

Welfare Rights Adviser, Stevenage Citizens Advice Bureau
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Mon 08-Nov-04 11:46 AM

Ken do you have any Optical Character Recognition software, so this could just be a nice text file of some kind, instead of a big file of slightly grey pictures that happen to be text?

This is actually a very complex question (potentially) because if you used a 'cleaned up', OCRd copy of this decision, would it be the same thing?

I OCRd the first decision I ever got, in the days before internet publishing of decisions, and even though it was a very clean copy I was doing it from, there were still mistakes that I had to correct on the OCR.

  

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mike shermer
                              

Welfare Benefits Officer, Kings Lynn & West Norfolk Borough Council, Kings l
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Mon 08-Nov-04 12:43 PM



I did manage to download in the end - but as you said it was very slow - tis a tad grey but did manage to read it...

  

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ss
                              

health and disability advice worker, foxhill & parson cross advice centre, sheffield
Member since
28th Oct 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Mon 08-Nov-04 08:15 PM

Firstly, I’d like to thank everybody for your interest an in-put.

I have to play devil’s advocate here for I am the representative in this appeal and ‘tis my job.

If any of you want to play along with me you can. If you do, though, you will need more information than you have. To that end, I’m enclosing a copy of my appeal letter together with my comments on the Department for Work and Pensions’ submission.


‘Mrs. disagrees with this decision as the decision awarding the qualifying disability benefit is dated 20 April 2004. Since the Carer’s Allowance application is dated 23 April 2004, this claim is within three months of the date of the decision awarding the qualifying disability benefit and, as that benefit was awarded with effect from 22 January 2003 and, since a stock piled claim for Invalid Care Allowance had been made in anticipation of the award of the qualifying disability benefit on
29 January 2003, the Carer’s Allowance should be backdated from the date of the original Invalid Care Allowance being made i.e. 29 January 2003.

The facts of the case are as follows: -

At the beginning of January 2003 Mrs. ’s late husband who was diagnosed as being terminally ill contacted us with a view to helping him apply for a supersession of his Disability Living Allowance.

On 29 January 2003, a request that Mr. ’s Disability Living Allowance be superseded was sent to the disability benefit unit.

Since a successful outcome of the supersession application would have caused there to be an underlying entitlement to Invalid Care Allowance, a stock-piled claim for Invalid Care Allowance was sent to you by Mrs. on that same date.

The underlying entitlement to Invalid Care Allowance would then have lead to an entitlement to Income Support and, consequently; a stockpiled application for Income Support was also submitted on that same date.

It should be noted here that Mrs. , who is elderly, was under some considerable pressure at that time, since her husband was terminally ill. He actually passed away a short time later, on 17 March 2003. Since the interplay between Disability Living Allowance, Invalid Care Allowance and Income Support is somewhat complex at the best of times, she asked for the help of an advice service and I sent the Invalid Care Allowance claim to you with a signed authority for you to disclose information and I asked for details of the Invalid Care Allowance decision when it was made.

I have been trying to pursue my copies of the Invalid Care Allowance and Disability Living Allowance decisions ever since.

It is suggested by the decision maker’s advice/ file note that the decision superseding the late Mr. ’s Disability Living Allowance was dated 4 February 2003. I spoke to Mrs. when I went to see her to obtain her signatures on the enclosed appeal form GL24 and she tells me that she has no recollection of
Mr. ever having received this decision. Of course this can’t be checked with Mr. since he has passed away. Mrs. can’t very well have informed you of the Disability Living Allowance supersession decision which should have contained details of the revised award and rights of appeal if the decision hadn’t been received.

I had already (on 21 April 2004) had a telephone conversation with Helen Dunn at the disability benefit unit in Blackpool who informed me that their file notes showed that they had received a request for a duplicate decision regarding the Disability Living Allowance supersession as they had received a communication that the original had not been received. Apparently the notes show that this request was entered on their computer on 12 May 2003. She informed me, however, that the notes do not show when decision regarding the Disability Living Allowance supersession was received and nor does it show from whom the request was received. The notes do not show to whom the duplicate was sent nor do they show when the duplicate decision was sent either.

On 23 June 2004 I telephoned Helen Dunn at the disability benefit unit to see if their case notes showed that a duplicate decision had in fact been issued at all. She told me that, when we spoke on 21 April 2004, regarding the request for a duplicate Disability Living Allowance supersession decision she was reading the notes from a full record print of the computer’s notepad facility which they had by that time sent to you to enable you to deal with the back dated Invalid Care Allowance application. Consequently, I then telephoned your office and spoke to Sandra Kirk who confirmed that the Disability Living Allowance full record print was with you. She was not able, however, to tell from the full record print whether or not a duplicate Disability Living Allowance supersession decision had been issued.

All the evidence seems to point to the fact that the only hard copy of the decision regarding the Disability Living Allowance supersession that it can be proved that anyone has ever received is the decision sent to me that is dated 20 April 2004. Since the Invalid Care Allowance re-claim is dated 23 April 2004 it is within three months of the date of the Disability Living Allowance supersession decision. On, on those grounds the Invalid Care Allowance should be back dated as requested.

I would also observe that the decision maker was more than a little precipitate in making the original decision refusing to pay Invalid Care Allowance on the grounds that the disabled person for whom our client was caring was not in receipt of a qualifying disability benefit. My covering letter dated 29 January 2003 that accompanied the original Invalid Care Allowance claim made it clear that the claim was made as a result of a claim that the late Mr. ’s Disability Living Allowance be superseded. Indeed, my letter also mentioned that the supersession application was being made under the special rules provisions. Had the decision maker delayed making the decision regarding the Invalid Care Allowance application until the decision regarding the Disability Living Allowance had been made
Mrs would not be having to go through all this trouble to claim the back dated underlying entitlement to Invalid Care Allowance to which she clearly should be entitled.

I understand the original decision refusing to pay Mrs. Invalid Care Allowance on the grounds that the disabled person for whom our client was caring was not in receipt of a qualifying disability benefit was made on 3 February 2003.
If the Department for Work and Pensions’ assertions that the Disability Living Allowance supersession decision was made on 4 February are correct, would it have been too much trouble for the Invalid Care Allowance decision maker to have waited one more day?

Furthermore had the Department for Work and Pensions responded to my requests for details of the Disability Living Allowance and Invalid Care Allowance decisions, as I was authorised to receive, none of this would be happening.

It is clear that the system has failed Mrs. and I would request, in the light of the above, that the decision refusing to back dated the underlying entitlement to Invalid Care Allowance be changed without her having to go through the additional stress of attending a Social Security Appeal Tribunal.

Yours Faithfully





Steve Stringer

(Health and Disability Advice Worker)



‘I am in receipt of the Department for Work and Pensions’ Schedule of Evidence regarding our above named client’s Invalid Care Allowance appeal to be held in Sheffield on 22 November.

I would make the following observations in the order in which they appear in the Schedule of Evidence.

In section 5, The Facts of the case the Department for Work and Pensions mentions: -

a telephone call from the Invalid Care Allowance Unit to myself dated 21 May 2003. I returned this telephone call on 6 June 2003 when I spoke to Mrs Edmeads at the Invalid Care Allowance Unit of the Department for Work and Pensions. She advised me that that the claim for Invalid Care Allowance made by our above named client had been refused, as the disabled person for whom our client was caring was not in receipt of a qualifying disability benefit. If we accept (as we are being asked to do so by Department for Work and Pensions) that the decision awarding
Mr. the Higher Rate Care Component of Disability Living Allowance was issued on 4 February 2003 it is not, then, unreasonable to point out that the Department for Work and Pensions had known for some four months, at that time, that the disabled person for whom our client was caring was in receipt of a qualifying disability benefit…

a record print from DLA records indicating that the decision awarding
Mr. the Higher Rate Care Component of Disability Living Allowance had been given on 4 February 2003. It is here argued that this record print is not evidence that the decision was actually received, or even issued. I would argue that an actual copy of that decision might be accepted as evidence that a decision was issued but the Schedule of Evidence does not include a copy of that decision. The Department for Work and Pensions may argue that their computer system doesn’t allow for the production of copies of decisions. This may well be the case, but I do not believe that our above named client should be penalised by the Department for Work and Pensions’ inability to produce copies of official documents. In the absence of such evidence I believe that our above named client should be given the benefit of the doubt and that it be accepted that the decision supposedly issued in February 2003 was not sent.

In section 6 the decision maker’s decision the Department for Work and Pensions mentions: -

“There is no evidence to suggest that this notification was not issued…”

There is, however, evidence on the Department for Work and Pensions’ case notes that the decision was not received. On 21 April 2004, I had a telephone conversation with an officer of the Department for Work and Pensions who said her name was Helen Dunn. She advised me that her case notes showed that a request for a duplicate decision was input onto their computer records on 23 May 2003, as the original decision had not been received. It is regretted that a copy of these case notes are not included in the Schedule of Evidence.

There are, potentially three grounds for the appeal.

We ask the Social Security Appeal Tribunal to accept that the decision made in February 2003, awarding the late Mr. Higher Rate Care Component
was not received. Furthermore we ask, therefore, that the decision dated 20 April 2004 notifying of the award of the Higher Rate Care Component of Disability Living Allowance to Mr. be treated as the only decision. As The Department for Work and Pensions have not seen fit to enclose a copy of that decision I enclose a copy herewith. Since, upon receipt of that decision, Mrs. made a reclaim for Invalid Care Allowance which was received by Department for Work and Pensions on 26 April 2004, we would ask that the appeal be allowed as the reclaim for Invalid Care Allowance was made within 3 months of the date of the decision awarding Mr. the Higher Rate Care Component of Disability Living Allowance.

If the Social Security Appeal Tribunal do not accept that the decision awarding the Higher Rate Care Component of Disability Living Allowance to the late
Mr. is dated 20 April 2004, we would then ask the Tribunal to consider whether the Department for Work and Pensions made an error in law in failing to delay the decision regarding the claim for Invalid Care Allowance until the decision regarding the application for a supersession of late Mr. ’s Disability Living Allowance was known.

In the decision maker’s decision the Department for Work and Pensions say, “suggestions that it would not have been too much trouble to wait one further day before making the Carer’s Allowance decision, do not take into account of the fact that vast number (sic) of claims that are received at the Carer’s Allowance and the difficulties that claims to Disability Living Allowance sometimes entail, means it is not practical for Carer’s Allowance to delay making decisions whilst awaiting the outcomes of Disability Living Allowance decisions.”

It is not clear what the Department for Work and Pensions’ legal standpoint is when they make this argument.

If it is practical for a claim for Disability Living Allowance to take a certain amount of time, why, then, is it not practical for the same amount of time to be taken in making a decision regarding applications for Invalid Care Allowance/Carer’s Allowance, especially when it takes that amount of time for the Invalid Care Allowance/ Carer’s Allowance decision maker to become in possession of the facts necessary to make a correct decision?

It is not, in any event, clear what is so practical about making precipitate and ultimately inaccurate decisions regarding claims for Invalid Care Allowance/Carer’s Allowance and then have Invalid Care Allowance/Carer’s Allowance applicants re-claim when the decisions regarding claims for qualifying disability benefit are known.

The Department for Work and Pensions’ argument is particularly unconvincing in this case as it was made clear in the letter accompanying the Invalid Care Allowance application made on 29 January 2003 that late Mr. ’s application for a supersession of his Disability Living Allowance was made under the special rules provisions as he had been diagnosed as` terminally ill. (Doc 10)


Commissioner’s decision CG/1479/1999 would seem to suggest that the failure of the decision maker to delay making a decision regarding the Invalid Care Allowance application made in January 2003 until the decision regarding late Mr.
Application for a supersession of his Disability Living Allowance was known was an error in law.

I enclose herewith a copy of that Commissioner’s decision.

There is also a strong moral argument to this appeal which, it is felt, is sufficient for this appeal to succeed on those grounds.

When Mrs. made her application for Invalid Care Allowance she was under some stress, her late husband having been diagnosed as terminally ill.

It is unrealistic to expect her, especially under these circumstances, to appreciate the complex interplay between Disability Living Allowance, Invalid Care Allowance and Income Support. This is the reason why she engaged the help of our Advice Service and the is why both Mrs. and her late husband authorised me to act on their behalves and to receive details of decisions regarding application s made for benefits by them.

My letters accompanying the Invalid Care Allowance (Doc10) application and the application for a supersession of Disability Living Allowance made on behalf of late Mr. (copy enclosed) clearly state that I requested details of the decisions when they were made. Had the Department for Work and Pensions let me have these details, this case would not be going to appeal. Bearing in mind the work that this appeal has caused, not only at Foxhill and Parson Cross Advice Service but also at the Pensions Service, The Invalid Care Allowance Unit, the Disability Benefits Unit and the Appeals Service and the work still to be done at the Social Security Appeal Tribunal, the Department for Work and Pensions’ comments regarding practicalities are particularly interesting in this context.

Thank you for your attention.

Yours Sincerely




Steve Stringer
(Health and Disability Advice Worker)’

I confess that I was excited by the CD and I enclosed it with my comments. I was hoping that, not only would this CD help me win the appeal, but create a precedent that would prevent Department for Work and Pensions from making Carer’s Allowance decision until the outcomes of claims for qualifying disability benefit were known. I’m afraid I’m not so excited now as I once was since all the regulations under which Mesher decided that the failure to delay decisions regarding Invalid Care Allowance/Carer’s Allowance claims was an error in law have been repealed. It doesn’t alter the principle, though. Is that good enough?

Doesn’t C&P regs 18 (c ) says that a reclaim for Invalid Care Allowance/Carer’s Allowance has to be made within 3 months of the award of the qualifying disability benefit?

Nevip suggests that there is nothing in the regs to suggest that a client cannot have a claim for Invalid Care Allowance/Carer’s Allowance re-opened at any time after the award of the qualifying disability benefit. Doesn’t DMA reg 8 (2)(b) say that the application has to be made within 13 months? This scuppers me as we are being told that the decision awarding the qualifying disability benefit was made in February 2003 and the request that this decision be looked at again wasn’t sent until April 2004.
DMA Reg 8 is not quoted in the Department for Work and Pensions Schedule of Evidence.

Any comments gratefully received.

Steve




























  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Tue 09-Nov-04 12:25 PM

Steve

A thousand apologies. Instead of Reg 8 I should have said section 8 of the Social Security Act 1998.

And a decision for official error may be revised at any time under Reg 3 of the D&A Regs.

Regards
Paul

  

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ss
                              

health and disability advice worker, foxhill & parson cross advice centre, sheffield
Member since
28th Oct 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Mon 22-Nov-04 07:55 AM

It's my tribunal today. wish me luck.

I'll let you know what happens

Steve

  

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Shona
                              

Benefits Adviser, Social Services, Monmouthshire County Council
Member since
04th Feb 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Wed 24-Nov-04 09:06 AM

What happened?

  

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ss
                              

health and disability advice worker, foxhill & parson cross advice centre, sheffield
Member since
28th Oct 2004

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Sat 27-Nov-04 09:44 AM

I didn't win

The tribunal overran so the chairman resereved his decision and sent it through the post.

I got the short decision the other day.

It just said that the Secretary of State's decision was confirmed.

I have asked for a statement of reasons. I'll let you know what it says when I get it.

Steve

  

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ken
                              

Charter member

RE: Is this a rare and beautiful C-D?
Wed 08-Dec-04 11:29 AM

We have hit on a way of reducing the file size of documents uploaded to rightsnet, which we hope will mean that any future pdfs we upload to the site should prove faster for people to download.

Due to the previous length of time it took to download, and thanks again to jj, we've now uploaded a reduced file size version of CG/1479/99 to rightsnet.

  

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