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jaykay
                              

adviser, penwith citizens advice bureau
Member since
15th Dec 2005

Benefit Delivery Centres
Fri 10-Oct-08 12:25 PM

Just a rant -

I have spent all morning on the phone to the Department of Work and Pensions, for several different clients with issues like overpayments or income support stopping because incap credits stopped.

Every time I get passed (well not passed but told to ring) a different department, who then tells me that no really I need to speak with department that I called before. When I ring them again, I'm told that i've been given the wrong advice and I need to speak to the other department honest. I'm making 5-6 phonecalls rather than just 1 or 2, and on every call I'm told something different.

If I have this amount of trouble, how the hell to unrepresented claimants stand a chance.

I'm getting fed up with having to make formal complaints all the time.

JK

  

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Replies to this topic
RE: Benefit Delivery Centres, Tony Bowman, 13th Oct 2008, #1
RE: Benefit Delivery Centres, suewelsh, 13th Oct 2008, #2
RE: Benefit Delivery Centres, Sayo, 20th Oct 2008, #3
      RE: BDCs ... shameless...., jj, 21st Oct 2008, #4
           RE: BDCs ... shameless...., nevip, 21st Oct 2008, #5
           RE: BDCs ... shameless...., mike shermer, 21st Oct 2008, #6
                RE: BDCs ... shameless...., jj, 21st Oct 2008, #7
                     RE: BDCs ... shameless...., stevegale, 21st Oct 2008, #8
                          RE: BDCs ... shameless...., steve_h, 29th Oct 2008, #9
                               RE: BDCs ... shameless...., albar, 30th Oct 2008, #10
                                    RE: BDCs ... shameless...., bensup, 31st Oct 2008, #11
                                         RE: BDCs ... shameless...., andyp4, 31st Oct 2008, #12
                                              RE: BDCs ... shameless...., 1964, 31st Oct 2008, #13

Tony Bowman
                              

Welfare Rights Advisor, Reading Community Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
25th Nov 2004

RE: Benefit Delivery Centres
Mon 13-Oct-08 01:17 PM

We know what you mean...

Whenever I ring up I'm mindful of the distinct possibility that the person on the other end knows didly-squat about benefits. It seems to me that thier job is simply to answer and field calls and request hand-offs that don't usually come.

The only way is to keep those complaints rolling in. And sometimes, to take the strictly formal route can be the easiest and most efficient, in terms of caseworking, than struggling to get past obstructive know-nothings.

I constantly make the point in complaints that the DWP's preferred method of benefit administration for working age benefits is totally contrary to the principle behind the SSA 1998, which envisaged a system whereby claimants could phone and talk to decision-makers to reach a quick and correct conclusion to a dispute. In my experience with a local office, it worked well for the most part, but these days - it's a distant memory. Now, there is hardly an effective method of talking to DM's who, for what they do and the impact they can have, are often appalingly incompetent.

In another thread a while back I made a similar point but someone esle said this is becuase we only deal with the difficult or unusual situations. Wrong. We deal, mainly, with ordinary situations that become difficult and unusual, becuase it seems that very few in the JC+ knows what the hell they're on about.

  

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suewelsh
                              

Adviser, Citizens Advice Shropshire
Member since
27th Jan 2004

RE: Benefit Delivery Centres
Mon 13-Oct-08 02:25 PM

Yes. It's not unknown here to be passed betwixt three BDC's each claiming one of the others is the one to call. Very annoying, but an unavoidable consequence of running a public service like a call centre, I think.

Sue

  

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Sayo
                              

Welfare Benefits Case-Worker, Maidstone Citizens Advice, Kent
Member since
02nd Nov 2004

RE: Benefit Delivery Centres
Mon 20-Oct-08 10:31 AM

good morning you grumbly people

and all i can say is that whenever i've had to contact them i've always found jcp and its staff to be helpful, courteous and correct in the information that they have given to me ... oh,. hang on a minute, no that was a helpline for bunions !

sorry, i concur wholeheartedly with you my learned colleagues, and yes jcp and its staff can cause your hair to fall out and leave you with flaky elbows and knees !

have a good week all !

pete

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: BDCs ... shameless....
Tue 21-Oct-08 08:47 AM

how very dare anybody! the Rt. Hon James Purnell disagrees. at least, i think he disagrees...!!!!

"Describing the revamped service as more akin to a bank, Purnell said: "People have a memory of lots of bits of paper on the wall, lots of queuing, actually it's very like a bank now. It is very customer focused.""

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/18/economy-jamespurnell


  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: BDCs ... shameless....
Tue 21-Oct-08 09:08 AM

If I hear the word "customer" once more I'm going to do something that I won't bloody well regret!

  

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mike shermer
                              

Welfare Benefits Officer, Kings Lynn & West Norfolk Borough Council, Kings l
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: BDCs ... shameless....
Tue 21-Oct-08 09:10 AM


He really did say that, didn't he !


Errrr.......Did that nice Mr Purnell happen to mention (in passing as it were) which Banks he had in mind? I only ask because I'd heard a rumour that some Banks haven't been that well run.......

...... and as for being "Customer focused", well that must have a completely different meaning outside of Whitehall .....

Since he so convinced in the excellence of the service they (allegedly) provide, perhaps Mr Purnell would like to expound on his definition of "Customer Focus" on this site, or better still at a NAWRA conference......

He might even like to explain how he would live on £60.50 a week - I'd buy a ticket to listen to that.....

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: BDCs ... shameless....
Tue 21-Oct-08 01:33 PM

Wed 22-Oct-08 10:01 AM by ken

Edited to shorten links

as Work & Pensions Secretary he knows that incoming recession places him in the hot seat. i would say he is taking position to dig in and brazen it out, but you could say i would take that view. like Paul, i am all 'customered' out to the point of being incensed. i fairly confidently predict that uber-blairite Purnell will spin his position as somehow noble and virtuous, but maybe we should run a rightsnet 'adjective du jour' sweepstake...? : )

meanwhile, here's a wee bit of a contradiction to be slugged out.... er... i mean resolved...

Family-friendly work reform on hold

New Support and Responsibilities for Lone Parents





  

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stevegale
                              

Co-ordinator, Disability Information Service (Torbay)
Member since
03rd Feb 2004

RE: BDCs ... shameless....
Tue 21-Oct-08 08:16 PM

More like a bank????

He must have a post graduate degree in discombobulation, or is he really an astrophysicist and he's discovered a parallel universe that none of us ever knew existed? That would might explain the black holes in the benefits system whereby important letters disappear mysteriously, only to materialise again on roadside verges several months later.

  

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steve_h
                              

Welfare Rights Caseworker, Advocacy in Wirral, Birkenhead, Wirral
Member since
06th Mar 2006

RE: BDCs ... shameless....
Wed 29-Oct-08 11:05 AM

Wed 29-Oct-08 11:25 AM by shawn

"Welcome to Jobcentre Plus, part of the Department for Work and pensions. please be aware if you are calling from a mobile or a non BT landline you will be charged at the rate set by your service provider. Your call may be monitored or recorded for Legal or training purposes and to help us improve our services. Please select one of the 4 options. Please note the options have changed. For income support press 1, for JSA press2, for IB press 3, for ESA press 4 ...

.... All our lines are busy, please try again later"

17 times I heard that phrase yesterday afternoon, it's getting beyond a joke.

Anyone tried to claim ESA yet, I believe the system went into meltdown on Monday.

And I getting very annoyed that the IS section can't transfer you to the IB section and vice versa and you have to hang up, then make another phone call to them to select option3, then "All our lines are busy etc etc"

Can't claim a crisis loan on a friday either.

  

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albar
                              

Social Policy Coordinator, CAB Service in Three Rivers
Member since
20th Sep 2006

RE: BDCs ... shameless....
Thu 30-Oct-08 06:41 PM

Anyone else had a message like this from their JCP Local Partnerships Manager?

"Since the successful launch of Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) on Monday, I am just writing to you to ask for your support.

Due to very high levels of interest we are experiencing extremely high call volumes. These are a combination of genuine claims, which are in line with our expectations, coupled with significant general enquiries. Of these general enquiries, there are a high proportion of calls from existing Incapacity Benefit (IB) customers.

I am asking for your support in assuring our existing customers that they are not affected by ESA.

Many thanks for your help in this matter. "

  

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bensup
                              

Benefits Supervisor, Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria Citizens Advice Bureau
Member since
24th May 2004

RE: BDCs ... shameless....
Fri 31-Oct-08 11:36 AM

No, not had anything like that.

  

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andyp4
                              

Welfare Benefits Advisor, South Somerset District Council (Yeovil)
Member since
16th Jul 2007

RE: BDCs ... shameless....
Fri 31-Oct-08 11:46 AM

Funnily enough yes! From the Dorset External Relations manager through the Dorset networking forum. Word for word even.

  

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1964
                              

Deputy Manager, Reading Community Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
15th Apr 2004

RE: BDCs ... shameless....
Fri 31-Oct-08 03:35 PM

Yep- we've had one too (Berkshire). Exactly the same wording.

  

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