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Liz S
                              

Welfare and Financial Assessment Officer, Welfare Rights Team Hereford
Member since
21st Nov 2007

Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???
Fri 28-Aug-09 10:05 AM

Can anyone help me please?

My colleague has just been advised by DWP that if a MEd 5 Medical Certificate is signed by anyone other than the client's own doctor - another partner in the practice- then that Med 5 is only valid for a month??

Can this be true? DWP claim it's their guidance but is it lawful? I know it's Friday but this seems completely absurd to me.

Help!!

  

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RE: Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???, clairehodgson, 28th Aug 2009, #1
RE: Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???, nevip, 28th Aug 2009, #2
      RE: Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???, Liz S, 28th Aug 2009, #3
           RE: Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???, nevip, 28th Aug 2009, #4
                RE: Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???, ariadne2, 28th Aug 2009, #5

clairehodgson
                              

solicitor, CMH Solicitors, Durham
Member since
09th Apr 2009

RE: Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???
Fri 28-Aug-09 10:44 AM

and what to they say where the practice is one where the person is registered with the practice, not a named doctor, as many practices are now doing?

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???
Fri 28-Aug-09 11:12 AM

I think that there has been a misunderstanding somewhere along the line. Guidance as you describe is false. However it is true (a one month maximum period) where a doctor issues a sick note based on the report of another doctor or where the doctor issues a sick note more than one day after the patient was last examined and has not previously issued a sick note since that examination (schedule 1A of The Social Security (Medical Evidence) Regulations 1976).

  

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Liz S
                              

Welfare and Financial Assessment Officer, Welfare Rights Team Hereford
Member since
21st Nov 2007

RE: Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???
Fri 28-Aug-09 01:34 PM

Sorry am now confused - so if a Med 5 is signed bu a GP other than the GP who actually saw the patient it will only be accepted for one month even if it is for longer than that, for example 3 months?

So in principle then the DWP guidance is right?

Sorry to be dense - it is Friday................................

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???
Fri 28-Aug-09 02:29 PM

Yes.

  

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ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: Med 5 Medical Certificate only valid for a month if signed by other doctor???
Fri 28-Aug-09 06:12 PM

A Med 5 is a retrospective certificate created from notes without an examination - so if it was not the doctor who actually examined the patient but say a hospital doctor or another member of the GP practice, it is presumably considered to be of lower evidential value than a certificate from someone with first-hand knowledge.

Hearsay evidence, in short - and that is never as good as evidence from an eye-witness.

  

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