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nick nicolson
                              

homelessness officer, southampton city council
Member since
11th Mar 2008

LHO rates when children taken into temporary care
Thu 03-Dec-09 03:33 PM

Hi... Client is a single mother with 2 kids and HB pay full 2bed LHA rate.
Kids are removed by Social Services in an interim temporary order with further court case pending, she may get the kids back.

HB say they will reduce the LHA rate to a one bed because the kids are not there. This will cause rent arrears and she will be evicted.

Is there anything in the HB regs or the LHA rates which I can use to keep the rent at the 2 bedroom rate at least until the date of the family court hearing.

  

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RE: LHO rates when children taken into temporary care, Kevin D, 03rd Dec 2009, #1
RE: LHO rates when children taken into temporary care, Derek, 03rd Dec 2009, #2
      RE: LHO rates when children taken into temporary care, Julian Hobson, 04th Dec 2009, #3

Kevin D
                              

Freelance HB & CTB Consultant/Trainer, Hertfordshire
Member since
20th Jan 2004

RE: LHO rates when children taken into temporary care
Thu 03-Dec-09 04:09 PM

Given the mess that LHA has become in the context of who counts as an "occupier", I suspect almost any argument is worth trying.

In this case, it may well be worth arguing that the termporary removal is nothing more than temporary absence until determined otherwise AND that, in any case, your client's dwelling remains occupied by the children as the normal home for HB purposes (per HBR 7). CTB is trickier, because the occupancy rules are different. But, I suppose you could cite CTBR 2(2) which tries to make occupancy under the CTBRs mean the same as under HBR 7. I'm not sure this quite works, but I can't come up with anything better at this time.

A sensible argument may well find favour with a sympathetic FtT. As for the Upper Tribunal? Who knows....

  

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Derek
                              

CAB Adviser, Esher CAB
Member since
09th Mar 2004

RE: LHO rates when children taken into temporary care
Thu 03-Dec-09 07:19 PM

If the above doesn't succeed (or as an alternative) she should claim a DHP. I have come across cases where the LHA was immediately reduced because a family member left the home (one of the pernicious effects of the LHA rules, in my opinion, as the tenancy still exists for x months & the claimant has either topay or be evicted) & a DHP was paid until the end of the tenancy.

  

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Julian Hobson
                              

Policy officer, Kirklees Metropolitan Council
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: LHO rates when children taken into temporary care
Fri 04-Dec-09 09:18 AM

I agree with Kevin. I think you might want to draw the distinction between the term "occupiers" in reg 13D for the purposes of LHA and the provisions in reg 21 for establishing whether the children form part of the household (for the income and allowances assessment).

They are different and it is possible to make decisions that might otherwise appear contradictory.

  

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