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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

Re: How do they get away with statements like this?
Thu 24-Aug-06 04:16 PM

Rightsnet News item today

"Centralising the work, in 'Benefit Delivery Centres', will enable the DWP to deliver a 'faster, more efficient and consistent service to customers" the latest issue of 'Touchbase' reports -

i believe only one word of it...


!!!!!!

  

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RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?, david fernie, 25th Aug 2006, #1
RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?, ali l, 28th Aug 2006, #2
      RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?, mike shermer, 29th Aug 2006, #3
           RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?, Margie, 29th Aug 2006, #4
                RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?, nevip, 05th Sep 2006, #5
                     RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?, Peter Turville, 05th Sep 2006, #6
                          RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?, jj, 05th Sep 2006, #7
                               RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?, Peter Turville, 08th Sep 2006, #8
                                    RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?, matherj, 08th Sep 2006, #9

david fernie
                              

WRO, Appeals Section, Glasgow City Council
Member since
14th May 2004

RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?
Fri 25-Aug-06 11:47 AM

But surely the best bit is...

'As each centre goes live, customers and their representatives will be able to contact us about their benefit claim by calling an 0845 telephone number (or an 0800 number if applying for a Crisis Loan), or by post.

Customers unable to contact us by telephone can arrange an office interview or home visit.'

So, if you can't contact them by phone you can arrange an interview by contacting them by ESP or taking out an advert in the local press or shouting in the street and hoping a passing civil servant hears?

  

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ali l
                              

Welfare Rights Officer, PHACE Scotland Glasgow
Member since
27th Oct 2004

RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?
Mon 28-Aug-06 11:31 AM

I find semaphore and carrier pigeon works best.

  

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mike shermer
                              

Welfare Benefits Officer, Kings Lynn & West Norfolk Borough Council, Kings l
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?
Tue 29-Aug-06 07:26 AM



.........."Customers unable to contact us by telephone can arrange an office interview or home visit........"

That sentence should read

.........."Customers unable/unwilling to contact us by telephone can obtain a Benefit claim form for any under sixty's Benefit, and arrange an interview at their nearest Jobcentre Plus office, and we are obligated by Law to provide such a service......"


  

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Margie
                              

Senior Welfare Rights Officer, prescot & whiston community advice centre
Member since
13th Apr 2004

RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?
Tue 29-Aug-06 09:26 AM

.........."Customers unable/unwilling to contact us by telephone can obtain a Benefit claim form for any under sixty's Benefit, and arrange an interview at their nearest Jobcentre Plus office, and we are obligated by Law to provide such a service......"

is what it should say...what they actually mean is...

Customers or their representatives who ring up and ask for a clerical claim form will be told that one will be sent out the following day BUT we will actually just ignore the phone call and nothing will be logged on the system....law? what law??

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?
Tue 05-Sep-06 12:29 PM

Or...Law, whats that then??

  

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Peter Turville
                              

welfare rights worker, Oxfordshire Welfare Rights
Member since
03rd Feb 2004

RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?
Tue 05-Sep-06 03:43 PM

Like everyone else we were 'entertained' by the JcP spin. We nearly died laughing (or crying on behalf of our clients). Why not contact Rachel Albericci at the Centralisation of Benefit Processing Project to ask why the spin is so far removed from reality (see Sept edition of Touchbase) - rachel.albericci@dwp.gsi.gov.uk

Having had the former Sec of State DWP in our office describe the new system as 'a load of ****' and the district manager describe it in very similar terms one can only wonder on which planet the Centralisation project staff live.

An old quote from Benefits Agency days (remember them) but still worth dining out on:

"we dont have to follow the law, we have our own regulations"

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?
Tue 05-Sep-06 05:55 PM

LOL!

i hadn't heard that one... : ) i expect we've all met it though...

the twenty first century new improved version dispenses with 'their own regulations' in favour of 'the script'. i expect it's a matter of time before call centres are manned by AI bots...

how times have changed since i was a VO in the days of single payments. we had an ancient and venerable VO who did his own thing on payments for bedding...in addition to the prescribed amounts for sheets and blankets etc, he would award a sum to parents of 'bed-wetters' for a ground sheet "from Millets... it has a good tuck in...keep yer mattress dry..."

  

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Peter Turville
                              

welfare rights worker, Oxfordshire Welfare Rights
Member since
03rd Feb 2004

RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?
Fri 08-Sep-06 08:21 AM

I was only a humble LOII - but remeber when Supp Ben was calculated by hand on one side of an A14N? - can't do means tested benefits & tax credits now without a PC calculation programme - and advice centre's could speak direct to an alpha section team leader - AAAAH THE GOOD OLD DAYS wasn't life simple!

  

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matherj
                              

Welfare Advice Officer, Melville Housing Asscociation, Dalkeith, Midlothia
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Re: How do they get away with statements like this?
Fri 08-Sep-06 10:50 AM

And in those days most claims were done in 3 days! The A200 was dispathched to the council, and the calculations included Central heating allowances, diet allowances, and additional requirements for other health related issues, or extra large shoes or clothes....
And best of all no call centres, you spoke face to face with the customers.

  

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