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aidan
                              

Citizens Information Service, Dublin, Ireland
Member since
26th Jan 2004

Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland)
Mon 11-Oct-04 06:38 PM

Hi All,

I seem to remember from my CAB days that in HRT cases (UK), persons from Common Travel Area (CTA) were automatically exempt (as long as they had been residing in the area that is). Eire was included in this, I think, due to some sort of bilateral agreement between it and the UK.
Can anyone quote the agreement to me, or where I can find it? The reason I ask is, that since 01/05/04 Eire introduced an HRT. It is similar in almost every aspect to UK HRT, except that it says people who had been residing in the CTA may satisfy the test, rather than shall/ will etc. People from the CTA are being routinely refused assistance. i need to identify the correct agreement to raise the issue as a social policy issue and to circulate the details to my collegue in Information Centres throught Eire. I would be grateful for any help you can give me in this matter.

Aidan.

  

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Replies to this topic
RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland), KieranLynch, 22nd Oct 2004, #1
RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland), Emmab, 25th Oct 2004, #2
      RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland), aidan, 05th Nov 2004, #3
      RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland), aidan, 14th Nov 2004, #4
           RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland), Neil Bateman, 15th Nov 2004, #5
                RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland), aidan, 02nd Dec 2004, #6

KieranLynch
                              

Welfare Rights Unit, Barnet, LOndon
Member since
04th Feb 2004

RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland)
Fri 22-Oct-04 10:17 AM

I dont know if this is of any use but the CTA is defined in the Immigration Act 1971.

I seem to remember that the original HRT proposals did not include the Republic of Ireland, but that was changed as a result of vigorous lobbying, rather than because of a bi-lateral agreement.

  

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Emmab
                              

Caseworker, North Kensington Law Centre - London
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland)
Mon 25-Oct-04 12:39 PM

I have a vague idea that the exemptions from the HRT for the CTA are being challenged under EU law - because they discriminate against people from outside the CTA.


Does anyone else know anything about this?

  

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aidan
                              

Citizens Information Service, Dublin, Ireland
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland)
Fri 05-Nov-04 08:28 AM


Many thanks To to all who replied. It is interesting to note that CTA rules being addressed under EU law. If I eventually ncover what I am looking for i will post a result.


Aidan.

  

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aidan
                              

Citizens Information Service, Dublin, Ireland
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland)
Sun 14-Nov-04 03:18 PM

Just for Info:

it would seem that Eire's inclusion in the common travel area stems from "The Government of Ireland Act 1949", under which people of the rep. of Ireland are not to be treated as foreigners in the United Kingdom. I think it had a lot to do with the labour needs of the UK following WW2. I am unable to get hold of the text of the act , sadly. I am still not sure if there is a reciprocal agreement by which Britons can avail of to be exempted from the Irish Habitual Residence Test ( or, Habitual Residency Condition , as it is referred to here).

Cheers

Aidan.

  

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Neil Bateman
                              

Welfare rights consultant, www.neilbateman.co.uk
Member since
24th Jan 2004

RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland)
Mon 15-Nov-04 09:19 AM

There seem to be four Reciprocal Agreements between UK & Republic of Ireland on the attached: http://www.dwp.gov.uk/advisers/docs/lawvols/bluevol/pdf/a9_0041.pdf

I don't think the agreements cover means tested benefits. You can view the Agreements by clicking on the date and appropriate Statutory Instrument number in the window on the left to the main page.

  

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aidan
                              

Citizens Information Service, Dublin, Ireland
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: Habitual Residence Test (Rep. Of Ireland)
Thu 02-Dec-04 10:46 AM

Thanks ,

Sorry for the late reply- have only just surfed backin.

aidan.

  

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