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Tony Benjamin
                              

CASEWORK SUPPORT OFFICER, SHELTER
Member since
07th May 2004

Reliability of the Northgate Benefits System
Wed 18-Jul-07 11:11 AM

I complained to the ombudsman on behalf of a client about the processing of his housing benefit. The local authority acknowledge that there have been errors as a result of the "Northgate Benefits System" which they use. The ombudsman has asked me to comment on whether this system is particularly unreliable when compared to others in use by other local authorities. Does anyone have any experience of the reliability of the Northgate Benefits System vis a vis other benefits systems currently in use by other local authorities?

  

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RE: Reliability of the Northgate Benefits System , Kevin D, 18th Jul 2007, #1
RE: Reliability of the Northgate Benefits System , ariadne2, 18th Jul 2007, #2
      RE: Reliability of the Northgate Benefits System , jmembery, 19th Jul 2007, #3

Kevin D
                              

Freelance HB & CTB Consultant/Trainer, Hertfordshire
Member since
20th Jan 2004

RE: Reliability of the Northgate Benefits System
Wed 18-Jul-07 11:32 AM

"Reliability of the Northgate Benefits System"

Change the word "Northgate" to "any", and it won't be too far off the mark .

In fairness, it's been too long since I've used any version of what is now Northgate to comment on the reliability of that system in the context of hands-on experience. However, maybe the following general view is of interest.

In 20 years cumulative benefits experience, including assessing and dealing with appeals, there has not been one single system that I have been seriously impressed with.

Over the years, I have found most have had their good points, but ALL have had problems and limitations that require "workarounds" (including manual adjustments). Occasionally, the computer system is simply incapable of doing what is necessary and even the workarounds won't help. And downtime is just a fact of benefits life.

A further difficulty is that the computerisation of the HB/CTB calculation means that large numbers of assessors simply don't recognise a flawed calculation when they see it - an assumption is made that the computer system must always be correct.

Maybe a rhetorical question assists: "Are HB/CTB computer systems made for the benefit of LAs, or are they made for the benefit of the software houses?".

The above doesn't directly answer the points raised but, if it's of use, feel free to use the content.

Regards

  

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ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: Reliability of the Northgate Benefits System
Wed 18-Jul-07 08:02 PM

Change pnultimate paragraph tp:

"Are computer systems made for the beenfit of customers, are are they made for the beenfit of the software houses?"

I cherish a haiku given to me by the former administrator of my CAB:

"Yesterday, it worked.
Today it is not working.
Windows is like that."

  

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jmembery
                              

Benefits Manager AVDC, Aylesbury Vale DC - Aylusbury bucks
Member since
01st Mar 2004

RE: Reliability of the Northgate Benefits System
Thu 19-Jul-07 09:50 AM

We use Northgate, and it does certainly have it's shortcommings, but to be fair when we identify "computer" errors it is more likly to be user errors (system admin or officer input) than there being something wrong with the code.

  

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