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Dolge
                              

Senior Adviser, Wirral Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
07th Sep 2009

Capital disregard changes and fairer charging
Tue 15-Sep-09 03:14 PM

Someone has brought this little anomaly to my attention and I was wondering if anyone else had noticed it:
1. when PC capital limits increase to £10,000 in November the effect on GC will be a straight increase of £8pw for people with enough tarrif income.
2. However for Savings Credit it will be more complicated. Since tarrif income is a qualifying income for SC, the qualifying income will go down by £8. This results in a drop of up to £4.80 in your SC.
3. The overall effect will be, for people with SC through tarrif income, that they get a total increase of £3.20 with £4.80 being in effect transferred from SC to GC.
4. Fair enough, they're still better off. But now consider Fairer Charging Guidance which requires (para.27) that all SC is disregarded. Effectively you are transferring £4.80 from SC (where it is disregarded for Fairer Charging) to GC (where it counts).
5. If you are paying charges for a non-residential care package (say at 75% of excess income which is the figure here in Wirral), you then get a £3.20 increase in your overall PC and a £6 increase in your charges (because your chargeable income has gone up by £8: £3.20 actual increase, £4.80 transferred from SC to GC).

If others agree with the analysis, any suggestions where we can take this up?

Richard Atkinson

  

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Replies to this topic
RE: Capital disregard changes and fairer charging, Tony Bowman, 17th Sep 2009, #1
RE: Capital disregard changes and fairer charging, PeteD, 12th Oct 2009, #2
      RE: Capital disregard changes and fairer charging, Gareth Morgan, 13th Oct 2009, #3

Tony Bowman
                              

Welfare Rights Advisor, Reading Community Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
25th Nov 2004

RE: Capital disregard changes and fairer charging
Thu 17-Sep-09 12:15 PM

Hi Richard,

We don't deal with community care issues including fairer charging but I do agree with your analysis and figures.

If there is any discretion for LA's in the fairer charing guide, then I would suggest asking locally for an additional disregard to match the lost £2.80 and then take it up with the relevant government department (DoH?) regarding altering the rules on a national basis...?

  

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PeteD
                              

Welfare Department Manager, Stephensons Solicitors, Leigh, Lancs
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Capital disregard changes and fairer charging
Mon 12-Oct-09 03:07 PM

I also agree with analysis..something I hadn't considered...of course, all LA charging for Domiciliary care IS discretionary under LASSASSA.

Could be worth a pop on an affected client with a view to more general LA policy change...sounds like a wider social policy issue aswell.

  

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Gareth Morgan
                              

Managing Director, Ferret Information Systems, Cardiff
Member since
20th Feb 2004

RE: Capital disregard changes and fairer charging
Tue 13-Oct-09 11:19 AM

I thought I'd posted this earlier but it doesn't seem to have appeared.

There will, of course, be a higher protected income figure because of the basis from which the 25%+ figure is assessed. That will offset, to a lesser or greater degree, this calculation.

  

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