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Paul_Treloar_
                              

Director of Policy and Services, Disability Alliance, London
Member since
15th Sep 2006

New overpayment argument
Mon 03-Dec-07 09:46 AM

Perhaps advisers should be telling their clients to run with the "Hain" defence, the next time they have an overpayment case caused by non-disclosure of capital. This basically states that any error was the result of an "administrative error" and thus, the person concerned should be exonerated from any blame and no further action taken.

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Replies to this topic
RE: New overpayment argument, stevegale, 03rd Dec 2007, #1
RE: New overpayment argument, mike shermer, 04th Dec 2007, #2
RE: New overpayment argument, Neil Bateman, 27th Jan 2008, #3
RE: New overpayment argument, Gareth Morgan, 28th Jan 2008, #4
      RE: New overpayment argument, jj, 28th Jan 2008, #5
           RE: New overpayment argument, nevip, 28th Jan 2008, #6
                RE: New overpayment argument, jj, 28th Jan 2008, #7

stevegale
                              

Co-ordinator, Disability Information Service (Torbay)
Member since
03rd Feb 2004

RE: New overpayment argument
Mon 03-Dec-07 09:01 PM

Now that's what I call a proper Christmas cracker!

  

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mike shermer
                              

Welfare Benefits Officer, Kings Lynn & West Norfolk Borough Council, Kings l
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: New overpayment argument
Tue 04-Dec-07 07:39 AM



It would be funny if the gentleman concerned was not the Minister responsible for the DWP....

If one of our clients fails to notify a change in circumstances as required by law, however small, their already meagre income is adjusted, curtailed or stopped accordingly. Even worse, they may well be invited to meet new friends in the form of fraud officers.

It would appear that, in Whitehall, any such failure to comply with the law is perfectly OK if you can show that it was solely due to a administrative error, probably by your "staff", who were unsure of what the law said and didn't understand the big words anyway....

  

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Neil Bateman
                              

Welfare rights consultant, www.neilbateman.co.uk
Member since
24th Jan 2004

RE: New overpayment argument
Sun 27-Jan-08 12:40 PM

Looks like ex-secretaries of State for Work and Pensions are lending their names to quite a few new tribunal arguments.

We now have the Johnson defence: "I told them but they did not act on it".

The now well-established, Harman defence: "I didn't declare it because I didn't know where it came from".

The Blunkett defence: "I didn't think that shares counted as capital".

The Darling defence for notional capital cases: "I got rid of the capital to help a struggling bank".

The Smith defence against JSA sanctions for voluntary leaving: "I wanted to spend more time with my family".

And finally, the PM no less, has widened the Hain defence to include cases where the the claimant has demonstrated "an incompetence" with handling money.

  

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Gareth Morgan
                              

Managing Director, Ferret Information Systems, Cardiff
Member since
20th Feb 2004

RE: New overpayment argument
Mon 28-Jan-08 09:34 AM

I shouldn't push it too far Neil; they may decide that incompetence is a defense for the department as well.

Oh, silly me, it already is, of course.

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: New overpayment argument
Mon 28-Jan-08 12:03 PM

the Johnson defence is official error by the Electoral Commission, right? er...

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: New overpayment argument
Mon 28-Jan-08 12:11 PM

Official error by the electorate, more like!

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: New overpayment argument
Mon 28-Jan-08 06:12 PM

lol!

  

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