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Kurt
                              

Welfare Rights Officer, Tameside MBC Welfare Rights Service, Ashton-under-
Member since
27th Jan 2004

How big is the 'empty cardboard box'?
Thu 06-Aug-09 12:25 PM

Hello,

Has anybody yet got any idea of what size box is considered in the 'limited capability for work assessment' for ESA, descriptor 5C? Customers who have had the misfortune to injure one arm or hand have fewer choices under the new test questions as there are now fewer tests which apply if they cannot do something on one side only but not the other. I would hope to be able to argue that if the box is sufficiently large in the first place to normally require both hands then it is going to be quite a size and that if someone has pain or restriction in one arm or hand then they should be treated as not capable of performing this task.

Is there any guidance on this or are we going to have to wait for an Upper Tribunal judge to decree exactly how much cardboard is involved in this test?

  

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RE: How big is the 'empty cardboard box'?, nevip, 06th Aug 2009, #1
RE: How big is the 'empty cardboard box'?, ariadne2, 07th Aug 2009, #2

nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: How big is the 'empty cardboard box'?
Thu 06-Aug-09 12:51 PM

I've been assuming (because of the use of the word "bulky" in the descriptor) that it is a (roughly) standard 2 foot cubed box such as that used to convey boxes of, say cornflakes, from factory to supermarket, although I have no authority for that.

  

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ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: How big is the 'empty cardboard box'?
Fri 07-Aug-09 07:59 PM

This is clearly intended to be a box too big to manage one-handed (and I don't think that includes putting your hand into the open top). The box is only an example - the descriptor makes it clear that this is something that does need two hands but is not heavy. Maybe think of something else - one of those giant fitness balls you get in a gym, or a box with a couple of pillows or a lightweight duvet in it.

  

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