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ljl
                              

welfare benefits caseworker, CAB, South Holland, Lincs
Member since
07th Apr 2006

Carer's Allowance and income from renting property.
Wed 13-Jun-07 06:06 PM

I have a client who is in receipt of CA but is renting out a house for £465pm. He says he informed the CA unit and it was all investigated before he was awarded CA. Is it the case that income from renting a house is not counted as 'earnings' and thus does not take him over the earnings limit? I've checked CPAG and can't see it as earnings but surely this is a loophole?

  

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RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property., nevip, 14th Jun 2007, #1
RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property., jimmckenny, 14th Jun 2007, #2
RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property., plumduff, 14th Jun 2007, #3
      RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property., nevip, 14th Jun 2007, #4
           RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property., Martin_Williams, 14th Jun 2007, #5
                RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property., nevip, 14th Jun 2007, #6
                     RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property., ljl, 14th Jun 2007, #7
                          RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property., pc, 11th Oct 2007, #8
                               RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property., 1964, 11th Oct 2007, #9

nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property.
Thu 14-Jun-07 08:39 AM

Rental income as such is not earnings from gainful employment. The test is, is the carer in gainful employment. This is a question of fact.

If a person quite clearly runs a businss which invlolves him/her actively working, i.e spending time on paperwork, supervising staff etc, then the likelihood is is that s/he is gainfully employed and rental income will count as earnings.

If, on the other hand, a person merely rents a single property without actually operating a business and, let us say that the rent is paid straight into his/her bank acount by direct debit, then it is highly arguable that s/he can be said to be gainfully employed as s/he does no work. This is an argument that I have successfully used in the past.

However, as CG 058/92 makes clear, if you are a partner in a business and receive a share of the profit you may be classed as gainfully employed. But note that if you are merely an investor or share holder you may not be caught by this.

  

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jimmckenny
                              

social services, kirklees metropolitan council
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property.
Thu 14-Jun-07 12:44 PM

I'm not sure that on a site dedicated to welfare rights the word 'loophole' should be used.

  

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plumduff
                              

debt adviser, manchester city council housing department
Member since
14th Nov 2005

RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property.
Thu 14-Jun-07 01:48 PM

I think loophole is the wrong term anyway...

£495 rental per month may seem a good income, but take away the mortgage and insurance payments, and the profit is probably next to nothing...

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property.
Thu 14-Jun-07 02:03 PM

In Street v Mountford, Lord Templeman said “if Mr Street has succeeded, where owners have failed these past 70 years, in driving a coach and horses through the Rent Acts, he must be left to enjoy the benefit of his ingenuity unless and until Parliament intervenes”. Ljl is therefore, in a sense, in good company.

I understand the concern though but I wouldn’t worry too much. This is not new after all. CA is an earnings replacement benefit and the policy is to let certain classes of people who are currently unable to work for long recognized, prescribed reasons (temporary unemployment, sickness, caring, retirement) to claim a replacement benefit. That is why the emphasis is on gainful employment.

Having said that I wouldn’t use the word too freely though.




  

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Martin_Williams
                              

Appeals Representative, London Advice Services Alliance- london
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property.
Thu 14-Jun-07 02:30 PM

Ahhhhhh! Street v Mountford the bane of squatters.... allows a licensee to evict a trespasser. Less said about it the better.

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property.
Thu 14-Jun-07 02:55 PM

Sounds like that brings back painful memories Martin! 1985, the heydays of Thatcherism when getting a beating (metaphorical or otherwise) from the authorities was a regular occurence. Ah! Exciting times. I'm getting all emotional now.

  

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ljl
                              

welfare benefits caseworker, CAB, South Holland, Lincs
Member since
07th Apr 2006

RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property.
Thu 14-Jun-07 06:23 PM

Apologies guys for the wording i used. Lesson learned. Thanks for input from everyone, much appreciated.

  

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pc
                              

Asst. Welfare Rights Officer, Cornwall County Council, Truro, Cornwall
Member since
07th Oct 2005

RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property.
Thu 11-Oct-07 10:51 AM

I have just had a call from a claimant who has had a CA review form that specifically asks about rental income, the last review (in 2005)made no mention of this- has there perhaps been a change of legislation or caselaw?

  

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1964
                              

Deputy Manager, Reading Community Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
15th Apr 2004

RE: Carer's Allowance and income from renting property.
Thu 11-Oct-07 04:14 PM

I don't think so. As far as I remember, they've always asked about rental income.

  

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