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Welfare benefits worker, Hambleton Citizens Advice Bureau, Northallerton
Member since
06th Apr 2005

Reconsiderations: can they succeed?
Wed 24-Aug-05 10:05 PM

Has anyone else noticed that fewer IB decisions are being overturned by the DM on reconsideration? Our local JC+ tell us that,where new medical evidence is submitted, their guidance requires that the case is referred to medical services, whose usual response is that evidence from a GP is not impartial and that a GP is not trained to carry out the assessment for the PCA. The DM appears to accept the advice of med services, regardless of what common sense says about the merits of the case. I thought that the dispute period was there to resolve cases so as to avoid expensive and time-consuming appeal hearings. From recent experience, it seems this is not the case. It also seems that medical services are, in effect, making the decision on incapacity for work, rather than the DM.

  

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RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?, northwiltshire, 02nd Sep 2005, #2
RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?, nevip, 02nd Sep 2005, #3
RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?, Andy P, 02nd Sep 2005, #4
      RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?, jj, 02nd Sep 2005, #5
           RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?, Andrew_Fisher, 05th Sep 2005, #6
                RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?, northwiltshire, 05th Sep 2005, #7
                     RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?, nevip, 05th Sep 2005, #8

northwiltshire
                              

welfare rights officer, c.a.b. n.wiltshire
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?
Fri 02-Sep-05 11:46 AM

I THINK THE ANSWER IS WELL COVERED IN TODAYS UPDATE ON DECISION MAKING AND THE STANDARDS COMMITTEE REPORT.

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?
Fri 02-Sep-05 11:56 AM

When did you last see the DM's score differ from the BAMS/SEMA/ATOS ORIGIN (zzzz!) doctor's score?

  

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Andy P
                              

Welfare Benefits Advisor - Volunteer, Age Concern Dorchester
Member since
26th May 2005

RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?
Fri 02-Sep-05 12:02 PM

could anyone spare me a copy of the above and Rightsnet news story
andympennington@yahoo.co.uk

yours everso humbly

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?
Fri 02-Sep-05 08:47 PM

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a couple of years back, someone from the IB section phoned me to give a fairly convoluted explanation to the effect that they had some instruction not to revise IB decisions following a commissioner's decision. it sounded like absolute rot, and i asked for a copy and the reference, which she said she would send if she had time to find it,,, needless to say,,, and i didn't have time to chase it, and the case trundled to appeal. it stuck in my mind, and i resolved to challenge this more strenuously if it arose again, feeling fairly sure commissioners had held quite the opposite to what she was saying - but it hasn't arisen again. our local IB section fairly whizz out the appeals, and few clients come to me with med ev already.

if there is an instruction to refer to medical services, it effectively means the decisions are being made by doctors, which should not happen. it would be nice to get to the bottom of this.
i would bet the instructions to DM's are worded so that nothing comes back to the DWP, but if training to D-Ms doesn't give them knowledge and confidence of their powers, (and limitations), it's not really good enough, is it?

  

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Andrew_Fisher
                              

Welfare Rights Adviser, Stevenage Citizens Advice Bureau
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?
Mon 05-Sep-05 08:52 AM

There's definitely a DMG bulletin thing on this - to refer any FME received to MS and effectively follow it. And they have definitely tightened up.

They'll soon be getting the receptionists to give advice to DMs as well as conduct the examinations.

  

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northwiltshire
                              

welfare rights officer, c.a.b. n.wiltshire
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?
Mon 05-Sep-05 11:45 AM

They are already getting receptionist to do it, I recollect a posting on this recently I believe. Also Nevip as for the last time I know a DM disagreeing with a Doctor was 1999( I checked the date). Alas it was not in the clients favour they reduced the clients points awarded as the Doctor duplicated two points on the mental health test.

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Reconsiderations: can they succeed?
Mon 05-Sep-05 11:57 AM

That sounds about par for the bloody course!!

  

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