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jules smith
                              

Aftercare worker, The Next Step Project,Salford,greater Manchester
Member since
10th Jun 2004

Foster carers with over 18's
Wed 14-May-08 11:56 AM

Wed 14-May-08 11:57 AM by jules smith

Anyone else deal with Leaving Care/Foster carers?
Just been told about an article in Community Care Magazine regarding new DWP rules implemented on 7th April. Young people who remain in foster care past 18 are funded from a variety of sources and DWP apparently have changed their rules as to how they regard section 23/24 payments and other means of funding to Foster carers, i am very confused and just wondered if anyone had further details

  

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RE: Foster carers with over 18's, shawn, 14th May 2008, #1
RE: Foster carers with over 18's, jules smith, 14th May 2008, #2
      RE: Foster carers with over 18's, wwr, 14th May 2008, #3
           RE: Foster carers with over 18's, jules smith, 15th May 2008, #4
                RE: Foster carers with over 18's, wwr, 15th May 2008, #5
                     RE: Foster carers with over 18's, BrianSmith, 15th May 2008, #6
                          RE: Foster carers with over 18's, shawn, 15th May 2008, #7
                          RE: Foster carers with over 18's, wwr, 15th May 2008, #8
                               staying put , shawn, 17th Jun 2008, #9

shawn
                              

editorial director, rightsnet
Member since
28th Jul 2005

RE: Foster carers with over 18's
Wed 14-May-08 12:41 PM

Wed 14-May-08 03:38 PM by shawn

is it definitely 7 april this year?

found this on the community care website ...

... Payments to care leavers leads to benefits muddle

  

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jules smith
                              

Aftercare worker, The Next Step Project,Salford,greater Manchester
Member since
10th Jun 2004

RE: Foster carers with over 18's
Wed 14-May-08 01:27 PM

yes it is this April, thanks for the link, I couldn't get on the Community Care website this morning, that is obviously the article my colleague had seen.
Looks like more work for me!

  

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wwr
                              

senior adviser, Wirral Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
07th Oct 2005

RE: Foster carers with over 18's
Wed 14-May-08 03:08 PM

DCSF are proposing a pilot scheme for 10 LA's, 2008-11, under the heading 'Staying Put', whereby former foster carers will receive ongoing payments along the lines outlined by Gary Vaux in the Community Care article.

Scheme bumf says 'the DWP have confirmed that in future, allowances for carers who provide accommodation and support to care leavers will be treated in a similar way to fostering allowances'.

The amended form of para.28, Sch.9 IS Regs (HB etc all similar) says:

“28.—(1) Any payment made by a local authority in accordance with—

(a) section 17, 23B, 23C or 24A of the Children Act 1989(30),

(b) section 12 of the Social Work (Scotland) Act 1968(31), or

(c) section 29 or 30 of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995(32).

(2) Any payment (or part of a payment) made by a local authority in accordance with section 23C of the Children Act 1989 or section 29 of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995 (local authorities’ duty to promote welfare of children and powers to grant financial assistance to persons in, or formerly in, their care) to a person (“A”) which A passes on to the claimant.

(3) Sub-paragraphs (1) and (2) are subject to the following provisions.

(4) Neither of those sub-paragraphs applies where the claimant is a person—

(a) to whom section 126 of the Contributions and Benefits Act (trade disputes) applies, or

(b) in respect of whom section 124(1) of the Contributions and Benefits Act (conditions of entitlement to income support) has effect as modified by section 127 of that Act (effect of return to work).

(5) Sub-paragraph (2) applies only where A—

(a) was formerly in the claimant’s care, and

(b) is aged 18 or over, and

(c) continues to live with the claimant.”

I assume the disregard of forwarded S.23C payments is designed to implement the pilot.

The introduction to the pilot scheme also says:

'Similarly, HMRC are committed to ensuring that arrangements for personal taxation do not present a financial obstacle preventing a foster carer from continuing to provide care and support to young people who as they are aged 18+ can no longer be regarded as a looked after children'

but I haven't seen anything that implements this.

It is all very awkward and ad hoc, no doubt to avoid having to amend the Children Act, but I think the pilot scheme is the reason for the amendment. It probably won't help or affect former foster children and their carers in non-pilot areas.

Richard Atkinson


  

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jules smith
                              

Aftercare worker, The Next Step Project,Salford,greater Manchester
Member since
10th Jun 2004

RE: Foster carers with over 18's
Thu 15-May-08 09:04 AM

Thanks Richard, that is useful, don't suppose you or anyone else know how I can find out who the pilot Authorities are going to be?

  

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wwr
                              

senior adviser, Wirral Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
07th Oct 2005

RE: Foster carers with over 18's
Thu 15-May-08 10:02 AM

Pilots were due to start May so should have been decided by now but I haven't heard anything

Richard Atkinson

  

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BrianSmith
                              

Welfare rights officer, northumberland nhs care trust
Member since
06th Oct 2004

RE: Foster carers with over 18's
Thu 15-May-08 10:29 AM

Is this anything to do with the "Staying Put" pilots? I assumed it was a general provision with the effect that s17/23/24 payments made to the care leaver then passed on to the carer (typically a supported lodging provider) were henceforth disregarded as income with respect to the carer's benefits. Only applies where the young person stays with the previous foster carer after age 18 of course. Previously s17/23/24 payments were only disregarded with respect to the benefits of the person they were intended to help, i.e. the young person

  

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shawn
                              

editorial director, rightsnet
Member since
28th Jul 2005

RE: Foster carers with over 18's
Thu 15-May-08 11:56 AM

here are the regs from rightsnet news ...

Miscellaneous amendments to means tested benefits: New statutory instrument (18 March 2008)

... and DWP and HB guidance ...

Miscellaneous amendments to means tested benefits: New DWP guidance (31 March 2008)

  

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wwr
                              

senior adviser, Wirral Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
07th Oct 2005

RE: Foster carers with over 18's
Thu 15-May-08 12:09 PM

Well, the 'Staying Put' documentation - available here:
http://www.dfes.gov.uk/localauthorities/index.cfm?action=content&contentID=13273 -
says they have changed the regulations to facilitate 'Staying Put' and that's the regulation change that has been made.

The change only covers S.23C payments, ie. presumably payments under S.23C(4) and (5), (cash payments to a formerly relevant child in exceptional circumstances). I have assumed that they have done it this way because they had difficulty finding legislative authority to continue to make foster payments direct to the foster carer. The putative 'Staying Put' payments can't be S.23(2)(a) payments past the foster child's 18th birthday and hence don't fit within existing disregards.

Agreed, though, that if a former foster carer switches to being a supported lodging provider and receives S23C payments via the former foster child the Regs will apply whether they are pilot scheme payments or not.

Richard Atkinson


  

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shawn
                              

editorial director, rightsnet
Member since
28th Jul 2005

staying put
Tue 17-Jun-08 11:59 AM

more on the staying put pilots ...

'Young people are to be given the chance to stay on in their foster families beyond the age of 18, thanks to a new £5 million Government pilot programme.

On the day Parliament starts debating the Children and Young Persons Bill in the House of Commons, Children's Minister, Kevin Brennan, announced ten pilot areas for the Staying Put pilots. The Bill and the pilots are both part of the Government's Care Matters reform programme to improve the experiences and outcomes for children in care ...'

http://nds.coi.gov.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=370782&NewsAreaID=2



  

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