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Semitone
                              

welfare rights officer, Redcar & Cleveland Welfare Rights
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

manual dexterity
Tue 19-Apr-05 02:07 PM

Just doing an appeal submission for PCA and one of the arguments is manual dexterity and the old 2p coin. I've argued that coins less than 2p be looked at as well and used tax credits guidance(for once useful) to support it. TCTMO2505 says

“1p, 5p, 10, 20, and £I coins are all less than 2½ centimetres. 2p, 50p and £2 coins are more.”

"2p coin is more"? I measured the 2p coin and I get 2.6 not 2.5 centimetre. Is that right and does it mean they shouldn't be using the bloody coin anyway?

  

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Replies to this topic
RE: manual dexterity, nevip, 19th Apr 2005, #1
RE: manual dexterity, Semitone, 19th Apr 2005, #2
      RE: manual dexterity, nevip, 19th Apr 2005, #3
      RE: manual dexterity, Andrew_Fisher, 20th Apr 2005, #4
      RE: manual dexterity, Margie, 20th Apr 2005, #5
           RE: manual dexterity, SimonMee, 20th Apr 2005, #6
                RE: manual dexterity, shawn, 20th Apr 2005, #7
                     RE: manual dexterity, Andrew_Fisher, 20th Apr 2005, #8
                     RE: manual dexterity, Steve Donnison, 20th Apr 2005, #9
                          RE: manual dexterity, Andrew_Fisher, 21st Apr 2005, #10
                     RE: manual dexterity, SimonMee, 21st Apr 2005, #11

nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: manual dexterity
Tue 19-Apr-05 02:44 PM

You are absolutely right. The 2p coin is 2.6 cms and should not be used in the PCA. I would love to see a tribunal chair call for a micrometer in the middle of proceedings, to be able to measure one, and then wait for several hours while the nearest precision tool shop is located and the clerk swiftly despatched to fetch one.

Regards
Paul

  

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Semitone
                              

welfare rights officer, Redcar & Cleveland Welfare Rights
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: manual dexterity
Tue 19-Apr-05 03:25 PM

Thanks Paul. Everybody here is looking at me sideways for the sake of a millimetre but its above what should be used. I've shoved it in to the appeal submission anyway. Win or lose I'll ask for the Statement of Reasons

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: manual dexterity
Tue 19-Apr-05 03:45 PM

Let us know how your argument is received.

  

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Andrew_Fisher
                              

Welfare Rights Adviser, Stevenage Citizens Advice Bureau
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: manual dexterity
Wed 20-Apr-05 10:30 AM

Isn't there a CD on coin size?

  

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Margie
                              

Senior Welfare Rights Officer, prescot & whiston community advice centre
Member since
13th Apr 2004

RE: manual dexterity
Wed 20-Apr-05 10:34 AM

Never let them tell you that size isn't important!!

  

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SimonMee
                              

Welfare Rights Officer - Community Care Team, Nottinghamshire Welfare Rights Service
Member since
05th Feb 2004

RE: manual dexterity
Wed 20-Apr-05 01:08 PM

I seem to remember someone something similar some time ago it may have been on the old forums. I think they were challenging the wording of the IB50 but I may be mistaken. Maybe Shawn can find it???

I remember getting a ruler out at the time and agreeing, but I can't remember whether they got anywhere with it.

  

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shawn
                              

Charter member

RE: manual dexterity
Wed 20-Apr-05 01:31 PM

related thread ??

http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=100&topic_id=104&mesg_id=105

  

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Andrew_Fisher
                              

Welfare Rights Adviser, Stevenage Citizens Advice Bureau
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: manual dexterity
Wed 20-Apr-05 01:42 PM

That's it - the musings of Steve Donnison are as good as a CD to me (if not a tribunal, but that's their loss).

I think the trouble with all of this is finding a case that turns on the matter, but that it is well worth pursuing if you can find one.

  

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Steve Donnison
                              

Freelance welfare benefits trainer and writer, Benefits and Work, Wiltshire
Member since
09th Feb 2004

RE: manual dexterity
Wed 20-Apr-05 02:49 PM

If anyone notices a fiery glow in the South Western sky, don't worry, it's not Hinkley B power station finally melting down, just me blushing furiously.

Today is a good day: I got a compliment and broadband for the first time ever. First time for broadband that is: I had a compliment once before . . . but then somebody turned the light on.

Thank you,

Steve

  

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Andrew_Fisher
                              

Welfare Rights Adviser, Stevenage Citizens Advice Bureau
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: manual dexterity
Thu 21-Apr-05 08:10 AM

You're welcome Steve - although you might not have got as much of a compliment from me if you'd had a search facility on benefitsandwork which meant I'd not had to trawl through lots of your site looking for this stuff (and not finding it cos it was here on Rightsnet) and realised how much important and useful information was on it.

As there is on here too, Shawn and Ken, lest anyone think I was putting in Trojan horses.

I think you're _all_ wonderful.

  

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SimonMee
                              

Welfare Rights Officer - Community Care Team, Nottinghamshire Welfare Rights Service
Member since
05th Feb 2004

RE: manual dexterity
Thu 21-Apr-05 09:02 AM

Thanks Shawn, that's the one I couldn't find

  

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