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SDP backdating following award of enhanced PIP a year late

Redscooby
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I apologise if I have asked this before…I have argued this with the DWP when it comes to ESA (CB) & (IR) when someone was on ESA (CB) and then due to a DLA award was then entitled to ESA (IR) but not when someone was previously on ICB.

My client was tv to ESA on 20/09/14 from ICB.  On 17/11/14 he was finally awarded the enhanced rate of daily living for PIP from 23/09/13.  ESA has correctly issued the SDP arrears from when his ESA began.

We completed a new claim for IS as he did not have a top up of IS with his ICB from 23/09/13 to 20/09/14 requesting that due to an award of a qualifying benefit he was entitled to SDP from 23/09/13.

DWP have come back to refuse the award of IS as he had no claim for this at the time.

What can I argue if anything? 

Many thanks!

Tom H
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If client received help/advice when claiming PIP such advice should have included the option of making a protective IS claim.  Too late now to make that claim.

Redscooby
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Sadly he did it himself and only saw us when he received the PIP decision!

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Sadly indeed. Timing is crucial but so many folk dont get that unfortunately

I assisted a client of mine complete a DLA application for her child

That was 2 1/2 years ago. I told her she must inform me of the outcome as we could appeal if turned down, and advise on benefits if successful.

I rang her several times for updates: no answer. Left voicemail messages. No reply.Wrote to client : no reply.

She came in for her renewal in the summer this year. HRC was awarded 2 years ago.

I asked her why she didnt tell me that we were succesful 2 years earlier. She said she had been “too busy”

She missed out on 8 grand in tax credits and 3 grand + in carers premiums.

She hasnt informed me of the renewal decision either. Sometimes i feel “too busy” to help some clients!

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benefitsadviser - 18 December 2014 12:05 PM

Sadly indeed. Timing is crucial but so many folk dont get that unfortunately

I assisted a client of mine complete a DLA application for her child

That was 2 1/2 years ago. I told her she must inform me of the outcome as we could appeal if turned down, and advise on benefits if successful.

I rang her several times for updates: no answer. Left voicemail messages. No reply.Wrote to client : no reply.

She came in for her renewal in the summer this year. HRC was awarded 2 years ago.

I asked her why she didnt tell me that we were succesful 2 years earlier. She said she had been “too busy”

She missed out on 8 grand in tax credits and 3 grand + in carers premiums.

She hasnt informed me of the renewal decision either. Sometimes i feel “too busy” to help some clients!

If the client does not let you know, they obviously don’t need the money LOL

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You could make a request for a special payment for loss of statutory entitlement of IS. The argument sould be along the lines that ‘had the PIP decision been made in a timely manner I would have been able to claim the IS earlier… the excessive DWP delays for PIP claims have caused the loss of IS’.

I have used this approach in the circs you describe and to date it has been accepted and special payments made to cover the lost IS.

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Thank you.  I was considering this option.  Is it worth putting in a MR for the IS decision?

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I don’t see how an MR will help as they client did not have a claim for IS at the relevant time and so cannot claim it now, therefore I think you have two options (and I would run both at the same time):
1. Ask for the ESA claim which commenced on 20.09.2014 to be revised to establish income-related entitlement as per CE/4181/2013. See:
http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/briefcase/summary/whether-separate-claims-are-needed-for-contributory-and-income-related-esa and
2. Submit the special payment request for lost IS from 23.09.13 to 19.09.2014.

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He is on ESA(IR) so has had the SDP from 20/09/14 paid, when he was migrated over the support group entitlement gave him both ESA CB & IR. 

Will definitely try the special payment route.

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Just to let you know the income support claim that we put in on 27/11/14 was initially refused but then backdated to 3 months on MR.  Special Payments told us that they would only consider an award once the claiming procedure had been exhausted so thinking of trying again to get the missing 9 mths of SDP.  Cannot see an appeal would work as Regs only state 3 mth backdating for IS… 

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Definitely special payment as you are right re; appealing the IS backdate.