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Two Child Policy - government responds to consultation and confirms April 2017 start

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Jon Blackwell
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For the dismal details see:-

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/universal-credit-and-child-tax-credit-exceptions-to-the-2-child-limit.

Regs will be brought forward for CTC, UC , IS ,JSA and HB from April

It’s not clear from this whether the previously announced ‘diversion’ of claims from 3+ child familes from UC to CTC is still going to happen.

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so no exception for contraception failure?

there have been cases where people have been medically sterilized and that sterilization has failed due to clinical negligence; whilst compensation can be recovered for that failure, it cannot be recovered for the cost of raising the child.

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one of the most dreadful social security policies bar none, and i’ll try to post my understanding of the complete disruption this will cause in full service areas for UC next week. awful awful stuff.

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I’ve been running our 2017 - 2022 Future Benefits Model (FFBM) with the April 2017 figures in place.  The results are horrifying.  If I could post charts here, I would share some of the results.

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Gareth Morgan - 21 January 2017 12:02 PM

I’ve been running our 2017 - 2022 Future Benefits Model (FFBM) with the April 2017 figures in place.  The results are horrifying.  If I could post charts here, I would share some of the results.

Hi Gareth ... what format are they in ? .. maybe we could upload them? .. cheers Shawn

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Here we go… New commencement order brings into force provisions in the Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016 (and the regulation making powers) including in relation to restricting child element of universal credit to two children (from 6 April)  and removing higher rate for first child- SI.No.111/2017

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Paul_Treloar_AgeUK - 20 January 2017 08:43 PM

one of the most dreadful social security policies bar none, and i’ll try to post my understanding of the complete disruption this will cause in full service areas for UC next week. awful awful stuff.

I am with Paul.  I am so sad about this.  Because it affects new claims it will disproportionately affect children in families with sick parents no longer able to work and children newly bereaved.  - As they didn’t have enough to deal with. - .  And this comes with the cuts to esa and long term widowed parents allowance.  What sort of society is this?

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shawn - 22 January 2017 02:17 PM

Hi Gareth ... what format are they in ? .. maybe we could upload them? .. cheers Shawn

Sorry Shawn, missed this.  I can let you have them in pretty much any format that suits -jpg?

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cool .. cheers gareth .. if you want to email them over i’ll take a look

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Letter from SSAC government setting out various concerns and questions in relation to this policy. The more I read about it, and the more I think about it, the more horrible and debased I feel this policy actually is.

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One of the points made in the SSAC letter:

“We wonder whether attention has been given to signposting women (in general)
living with abusers to organisations with expertise in supporting women who have
been abused (such as rape crisis centres or women’s aid); and, where needed, to
specialist disability or community organisations that can support women for whom
leaving an abusive partner may be especially difficult.”

How many such organisations have lost funding due to other cuts introduced by this government? It is hard to see any reason for this dreadful policy other than furthering the cause of demonising benefit claimants.

[ Edited: 10 Feb 2017 at 04:53 pm by Rosie W ]
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here we go ... new tax credit regs -

Child Tax Credit (Amendment) Regulations 2017

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.... and new regs for universal credit, housing benefit income support and jobseeker’s allowance…

Social Security (Restrictions on Amounts for Children and Qualifying Young Persons) Amendment Regulations 2017

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Yesterday the speaker refused a debate on the non-consensual sex exemption but is precluded from saying why…

The hon. Lady asks leave to propose a debate on a specific and important matter that should have urgent consideration—namely, “The introduction of the non-consensual sex exemption in respect of tax credits.” I have listened carefully to the application from the hon. Lady, but I am afraid that I am not persuaded that the matter is proper to be discussed under Standing Order No. 24. The Standing Order does not permit me to give my reasons to the House. I shall therefore simply observe that a prayer has been tabled against the regulations, and I would hope and anticipate that the usual channels will find time for it to be debated.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2017-03-20/debates/17032018000001/Non-ConsensualSexExemption(TaxCredits)

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Motion lodged in Scottish Parliament -

That the Parliament welcomes the announcement by Scottish Women’s Aid and Rape Crisis Scotland that they will not co-operate with the UK Government’s so-called Rape Clause in relation to child tax credits; understands that the policy will cap child tax credit entitlement for families at two children, unless they can prove, with third-party certification, that any subsequent children were as a result of rape; further understands that this policy, which is due to be implemented on 6 April 2017, has no third sector supporters in Scotland; agrees with the Scottish Government’s Minister for Social Security that the policy is a “fundamental violation of human rights”, and calls on the UK Government to reverse it at once.

http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/28877.aspx?SearchType=Simple&DateChoice=1&MSPId=4947&SortBy=DateSubmitted&ResultsPerPage=10