× Search rightsnet
Search options

Where

Benefit

Jurisdiction

Jurisdiction

From

to

Forum Home  →  Discussion  →  Work capability issues and ESA  →  Thread

ESA and WRAC cut - what’s happening?

Paul_Treloar_AgeUK
forum member

Information and advice resources - Age UK

Send message

Total Posts: 3211

Joined: 7 January 2016

So we have this Backbench motion to pause planned cuts to ESA passed unanimously in House of Commons last Friday

and we have this Opposition day motion calling on government to reverse cuts to ESA and universal credit work allowances defeated in the House of Commons last Thursday

So is the cut to the WRAC of ESA going ahead or not?

I saw on social media last week some people getting very excited about the former, yet as I understood things, the latter means that the cut is happening regardless. Any ideas?

Yours confused of Stoke Newington….

Andrew Dutton
forum member

Welfare rights service - Derbyshire County Council

Send message

Total Posts: 1964

Joined: 12 October 2012

Odd, isn’t it? I assume the 127-0 vote was only advisory.

Reading the debate, the gov’t appears to be talking-up this cut as ‘support’.

There will be a hardship fund and the flexible support fund and vaguely-referred-to third party support. In other words - take away statutory entitlement and replace it with hazily-defined and usually discretionary support if you end up really, really poor.  And we like your face. And you say please. Nicely.

Elliot Kent
forum member

Shelter

Send message

Total Posts: 3129

Joined: 14 July 2014

The passed opposition day motion records that the House agrees with the statement in quotes at the top of the rightsnet article - principally that the House “calls on the government to use the upcoming Autumn Statement to postpone the cuts to employment and support allowance work-related activity component ”

i.e. the commons have politely asked the government to delay when it chooses to commence ss15 and 16 of the Welfare Reform and Work Act - but that’s it. Up to the government whether it presses ahead or not.

Jane OP
forum member

The National Autistic Society, Welfare Rights, Nottingham

Send message

Total Posts: 161

Joined: 13 January 2011

Hi,

I’m just thinking about encouraging take up before this cut happens.

Am I right that the regs detailing the protection for existing ESA claimants have not been made yet?

I’m wondering for example if someone claimed ESA in March 2017 and had their WCA determination after the cut came in would they get the WRAG component?

Or would people have to claim ESA and be 14 weeks into their claim before April 2017 in order have the WRAG included?

Many thanks

Jane

Paul_Treloar_AgeUK
forum member

Information and advice resources - Age UK

Send message

Total Posts: 3211

Joined: 7 January 2016

Jane OP - 02 December 2016 11:20 AM

Hi,

I’m just thinking about encouraging take up before this cut happens.

Am I right that the regs detailing the protection for existing ESA claimants have not been made yet?

I’m wondering for example if someone claimed ESA in March 2017 and had their WCA determination after the cut came in would they get the WRAG component?

Or would people have to claim ESA and be 14 weeks into their claim before April 2017 in order have the WRAG included?

Many thanks

Jane

Very good idea about a take-up campaign. I don’t think any regs have been issued as yet. As for the possible variations on the timing, or not, of the WCA, well best of luck Jane.

There’s also residual questions about how ESA sanctions will work (as WRAC is what’s cut at the moment, so are they going to seriously contemplate cutting the personal allowance?). Another heinous welfare reform, aka, and probably one of the most invidious.

DWRS
forum member

Durham County Council Welfare Rights

Send message

Total Posts: 73

Joined: 21 June 2010

ESA sanctions only removed the WRAC up to December 2012. Ever since then they’ve removed the personal allowance and left the WRAC in place. I assume a sanction from next April (or whenever this comes in) to a non-transitionally-protected claimant will, as with JSA, generally leave the claimant with nothing.

On the subject of TP, it’s interesting to note that although s15 of the 2016 Act contains in para 4 provision for transitional regs to be made protecting existing ESA claimants, s16 - which deals with the corresponding cut to UC’s WRA element - doesn’t specify the possibility of transitional regs there.

Phillip Allen
DCC Welfare Rights Service

Paul_Treloar_AgeUK
forum member

Information and advice resources - Age UK

Send message

Total Posts: 3211

Joined: 7 January 2016

DWRS - 12 December 2016 11:28 AM

ESA sanctions only removed the WRAC up to December 2012. Ever since then they’ve removed the personal allowance and left the WRAC in place. I assume a sanction from next April (or whenever this comes in) to a non-transitionally-protected claimant will, as with JSA, generally leave the claimant with nothing.

On the subject of TP, it’s interesting to note that although s15 of the 2016 Act contains in para 4 provision for transitional regs to be made protecting existing ESA claimants, s16 - which deals with the corresponding cut to UC’s WRA element - doesn’t specify the possibility of transitional regs there.

Phillip Allen
DCC Welfare Rights Service

Thanks Philip, I completely missed the change you reference in terms of the amount of the sanction.

GWRS adviser
forum member

Welfare Rights Service, Greenwich Council, London

Send message

Total Posts: 211

Joined: 8 August 2012

I may be wrong but in terms of the current situation isn’t the sanction for an amount equal to the amount of the personal allowance rather than for the personal allowance itself?  So if the claimant only has personal allowance and WRAC in payment then yes they would be left with the WRAC.  But if the claimant has another source of income (e.g. Carers Allowance) then the component could be affected?