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Jac
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Welfare benefits adviser - Melville Housing Association, Midlothian

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Tenant on HB. Sentenced so HB stopped as expected to be in over 13 weeks. Immediately appealed sentence and appeal was successful. Was in prison a total of 16 weeks. Should period awaiting appeal be treated the same as on remand? Not sure of timescales but at present HB cancelled from date of original sentence. Any case law or opinion? Don’t have any more details at this point as tenant has missed his appointment to see me! Thanks.

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52 weeks’ absence is allowed where the claimant is “detained in custody on remand pending trial” or “detained pending sentence upon conviction”.

Otherwise, a person in prison is only entitled to HB if his/her total absence from home is unlikely to exceed 13 weeks.

It comes down to whether a sentenced prisoner who is appealing his/her sentence can be described as “detained pending sentence upon conviction” - does the appeal mean you revert to pre-sentence status?  I would imagine not, but I don’t know enough about the criminal justice system to say for certain.  Nothing to lose by appealing I suppose.  But the Council will say that (i) the claimant’s circumstances never placed him in one of the groups entitled to 52 weeks’ absence and (ii) it was never likely at any stage that his absence from home would not exceed 13 weeks.

On the likely duration of absence point, hindsight is a wonderful thing and we can see that the absence plainly did exceed 13 weeks.  But the HB test is whether, from week to week during the absence, it was unlikely that it would: how did things appear at that time and in particular did the appeal raise that likelihood?  There might have been an unexpected delay in the appeal process for example: see CH/2638/2006 (attached)

Incidentally the attached decision is wrong in one respect: the Commissioner says that the claimant was entitled to HB throughout the whole of an absence that in the event lasted longer than 13 weeks.  That is incorrect - it would have to stop after 13 weeks, the issue in the case is whether the claimant was entitled to any HB at all from the outset.

 

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MNM
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I believe it is sentenced pending appeal. Essentially, sentence stands unless appeal successful.

I am told that an appeal against conviction stops the clock on the sentence ... and it does not become remand ... if the appeal is unsuccessful the prisoner will have to serve original sentence plus the length of time it took to appeal.

If successful then the period of appeal is factored into the original sentence. 

Hence reason many criminals don’t appeal length of sentence.

Don’t quote me though as I am not a Criminal Solicitor and rules may have changed.

POSSIBILITY IN YOUR CASE ...

If his/her total sentence was reduced to say 10 weeks (after appeal) but by that time s/he served 16 weeks due to length of appeal process then you may have a case to argue, but for the delay in appeal and unlawfulness of original sentencing, s/he would have not exceeded 13 weeks ... long shot but was just thinking aloud

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Have now been told that he appealed immediately and sentence quashed so released immediately on that decision. Hopefully I can get more from the solicitor but will give it a go.

Thanks for all the comments.