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R2R for the self employed

PCLC
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Am I right in thinking there is a distinction that applies to the elf employed regarding temporary and permanent incapacity?

Immigration EEA Regs Reg 5(3) says;

“Worker or self-employed person who has ceased activity”

5.
(3) A person satisfies the conditions in this paragraph if—

(a)he terminates his activity in the United Kingdom as a worker or self-employed person as a result of a permanent incapacity to work; and

(b)either—

(i)he resided in the United Kingdom continuously for more than two years prior to the termination; or

(ii).......

Temporary incapacity is covered in Reg 6(2)(a)

Qualified person”

6.  (1)  In these Regulations, “qualified person” means a person who is an EEA national and in the United Kingdom as—

(a)a jobseeker;

(b)a worker;

(c)a self-employed person;

(d)a self-sufficient person; or

(e)a student.

(2) A person who is no longer working shall not cease to be treated as a worker for the purpose of paragraph (1)(b) if—

(a)he is temporarily unable to work as the result of an illness or accident;

So this only refers to “workers”?

Also for the purposes of permanent incapacity can anyone remind me of the UT decision regarding permanent v temporary incapcity?

And finally, does 2 years residence in permanent incapacity mean 2 years legal residence, as it doesn’t say that?

Thanks folks!

PCLC
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Err… I know tis festive season soon but I did not mean the elf employed, obviously.

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Para (2) of reg 6 only refers to workers. The self-employed are covered by para (3) -

A person who is no longer in self-employment shall not cease to be treated as a
self-employed person for the purpose of paragraph (1)(c) if he is temporarily unable to
pursue his activity as a self-employed person as the result of an illness or accident.

So exactly the same thing.

As for the second question, yes, it’s legal residence - same as any of the 5 year conditions, that residence has to be one where some sort of Treaty right was exercised (though this can, of course, mean the exercise of different rights at different times).

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Thanks for that.

Any ideas on that UT decision about temporary v permanent incapacity?

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FMB (EEA reg 6(2)(a) – ‘temporarily unable to work’) Uganda [2010] UKUT 447 (IAC). (FMB Case)

It’s an immigration upper tribunal decision which covers points nicely.

Discussed in an earlier thread ...

http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/4674/