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elaine hogan
                              

Caseworker Take Up, Blackburn with Darwen Council
Member since
31st Jan 2006

Non Metropolitan County Council
Mon 22-Oct-07 02:43 PM

I work for Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council which is a Unitary Authority.

My feeling is that as a Unitary Authority inherited the functions previously carried out by a Non Metropolitan County Council then the definition applying to a NMCC should apply. However, I am unable to find evidence to clarify this question one way or the other. Can anyone supply me with a definitive answer?

  

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RE: Non Metropolitan County Council, Kevin D, 22nd Oct 2007, #1
RE: Non Metropolitan County Council, ariadne2, 23rd Oct 2007, #2
      RE: Non Metropolitan County Council, nevip, 24th Oct 2007, #3
      RE: Non Metropolitan County Council, AndyRichards, 24th Oct 2007, #4
           RE: Non Metropolitan County Council, elaine hogan, 25th Oct 2007, #5
                RE: Non Metropolitan County Council, Fred Grand, 29th Oct 2007, #6
                     RE: Non Metropolitan County Council, nevip, 29th Oct 2007, #7
                          RE: Non Metropolitan County Council, nevip, 29th Oct 2007, #8
                               RE: Non Metropolitan County Council, Fred Grand, 29th Oct 2007, #9
                                    RE: Non Metropolitan County Council, ariadne2, 30th Oct 2007, #10

Kevin D
                              

Freelance HB & CTB Consultant/Trainer, Hertfordshire
Member since
20th Jan 2004

RE: Non Metropolitan County Council
Mon 22-Oct-07 04:35 PM

The straight answer is that I don't *know* the answer. But, it strikes me that this is simply a matter of fact - the LA will surely know what type of Council it is. A quick phone call to the Chief Exec's (or legal) department should sort it.

www.blackburn.gov.uk





  

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ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: Non Metropolitan County Council
Tue 23-Oct-07 08:32 PM

Where and in what context is the definition to which you refer? It's not one I have come across and the context could clarify.

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Non Metropolitan County Council
Wed 24-Oct-07 09:04 AM

The Local Government Changes for England Regulations 1994 defines unitary authority as “any authority which is the sole principal council for its local government area”.

  

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AndyRichards
                              

Senior Training Officer, Brighton and Hove City Council, Brighton
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: Non Metropolitan County Council
Wed 24-Oct-07 09:18 AM

I am guessing this is to do with the definition of "exempt accommodation" for the purposes of which set of rules to follow for determining the eligible rent. Accomodation provided by an NMCC would fall into the "Old Scheme" pre-1996 category. Whether a UA which has taken on the functions of an old NMCC would fit the definition, I don't know, though wouldn't it still fall within the scope of the old scheme in some way anyhow?

  

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elaine hogan
                              

Caseworker Take Up, Blackburn with Darwen Council
Member since
31st Jan 2006

RE: Non Metropolitan County Council
Thu 25-Oct-07 11:03 AM

Yes you're right the definition is in relation to 'Exempt Accommodation'.

I have managed to find the following defintions on the website for National Statistics but it is also possible to find conflicting definition on the same site if you look for it.

'A shire county or non-metropolitan county in England is a county level entity which is not a metropolitan county'

'Technically, most unitary authorities in England are also non-metropolitan counties'.

It's beginning to look like there is no clarification on this issue and the only way forward would be to put in an appeal and see what the outcome will be.

If anyone has any further thoughts on the issue I am still interested to hear them.


  

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Fred Grand
                              

Welfare Rights Officer, Durham Welfare Rights
Member since
12th Oct 2006

RE: Non Metropolitan County Council
Mon 29-Oct-07 01:33 PM

There are 6 Metropolitan Counties in England - Greater Manchester, Merseyside, Tyne & Wear, South Yorkshire, West Yorkshire and West Midlands.

If Blackburn doesn't fall into one of those groupings then I'd say it's 'non-metropolitan'.

Seems like a strange distinction to have to make in relation to exemption, but I'm sure there must be a valid reason for it buried away somewhere or other!

I agree with the earlier contributor who suggested that there should be other ways to get the particular accommodation exempted, if this issue proves to be a sticking point.

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Non Metropolitan County Council
Mon 29-Oct-07 01:53 PM


Merseyside County Council was actually abolished in 1986 and replaced with five metropolitan councils, Sefton, Knowsley, Wirral ,St Helens and Liverpool. So, there may be more metroplitan councils that are not part of the County Council structure.

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Non Metropolitan County Council
Mon 29-Oct-07 02:03 PM

Does this take things any further forward?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_and_non-metropolitan_counties_of_England

  

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Fred Grand
                              

Welfare Rights Officer, Durham Welfare Rights
Member since
12th Oct 2006

RE: Non Metropolitan County Council
Mon 29-Oct-07 02:42 PM

That seems to help - it even breaks down 'Merseyside' into the districts you mentioned in your previous post.

As a starting point it seems to make sense to know what a Metropolitan Council is before we can understand what a NON Metropolitan COuncil is...

  

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ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: Non Metropolitan County Council
Tue 30-Oct-07 07:12 PM

Hampshire is definitely a non-metropolitan county now, and Southampton, Gosport and Portsmouth are no longer technically part of Hampshire as they are now unitary authorities. They have never been metropolitan counties, and have now taken on within their areas functions which elsewhere are carried on by the county, such as social services, education and highways. I am less sure about police. So to this extent as unitary authorities they have taken on locally the role of the county council, reducing a tier of bureaucracy (or that was the idea). Up here in the north of the county, we still have the old split.

  

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