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lisag
                              

benefits adviser, essex social services
Member since
19th Sep 2006

LHA and Care Leavers
Wed 09-Apr-08 03:20 PM

I am looking for some evidence to support my understanding that the LHA rate that applies to care leavers aged under 22 years old is that of a 1 bedroom property. This means that if they choose to live in lodgings (such as with an ex foster carer) the amount of Housing Benefit they will be entitled to will be up to the amount of the LHA rate for a 1 bed property, depending, of course on how much the landlord charges them. Should the landlord charge them less than the 1 bedroom LHA rate, then they could keep the £15 per week difference.

Is there any legislation to support this understanding?

I have found conflicting information online. Some information says that you have to actually live in self-contained information to get the 1 bed LHA rate, some state that even if you live in shared accommodation you can get the LHA rate for 1 bedroom property if you are a care leaver aged under 22 years old.

Can anyone provide any clarity / opinions?

Thanks

  

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Replies to this topic
RE: LHA and Care Leavers, BrianSmith, 09th Apr 2008, #1
RE: LHA and Care Leavers, lisag, 09th Apr 2008, #2
      RE: LHA and Care Leavers, wwr, 10th Apr 2008, #3
           RE: LHA and Care Leavers, lisag, 10th Apr 2008, #4
           RE: LHA and Care Leavers, wwr, 10th Apr 2008, #10
           RE: LHA and Care Leavers, AndyRichards, 10th Apr 2008, #5
                RE: LHA and Care Leavers, lisag, 10th Apr 2008, #6
                     RE: LHA and Care Leavers, AndyRichards, 10th Apr 2008, #7
                          RE: LHA and Care Leavers, lisag, 10th Apr 2008, #8
                               RE: LHA and Care Leavers, lisag, 10th Apr 2008, #9
                                    RE: LHA and Care Leavers, wwr, 10th Apr 2008, #11
                                         RE: LHA and Care Leavers, ken, 11th Apr 2008, #12

BrianSmith
                              

Welfare rights officer, northumberland nhs care trust
Member since
06th Oct 2004

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Wed 09-Apr-08 03:59 PM

single claimants under 25 are usually retricted to the shared room rate, but this restriction does not apply to care leavers under the age of 22 who get the one bedroom rate. Para 2.50 of the LHA Guidance Manual says that single claimants aged 25 and over get the one bedroom rate provided they actually rent a property of at least this size. However para 2.52 specifically says that care leavers under 22 will qualify for the one bedroom rate regardless of the size of their accommodation.

  

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lisag
                              

benefits adviser, essex social services
Member since
19th Sep 2006

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Wed 09-Apr-08 04:01 PM

Thank you Brian - that is fantastic, quick response and just the info I was looking for. Great!

lisa

  

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wwr
                              

senior adviser, Wirral Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
07th Oct 2005

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Thu 10-Apr-08 01:59 PM

I just did a detailed reply on this but it was lost in the ether. Basically I think the problem here is one of wording. Para.2.60 in the LHA Guidance says this:

Care Leavers under 22
2.60 A care leaver under 22 is not a “young individual”. Only a young individual is subject to the one room restriction. If the care leaver is in shared accommodation, pay one room rate, if they have sole use of two rooms or have one room with the exclusive use of kitchen, bathroom and toilet pay on two room rate. Once the care leaver reaches age 22 this is a change that affects the category of dwelling. If they have a partner, child or a non-dependant then they come under the normal size criteria.

Rent officer material refers to the 'one bedroom with shared facilities' rate, and the 'one bedroom self contained' rate, reflecting the regulations which now refer only to bedrooms.

The Guidance is therefore very confusingly worded but I think ' one room rate' means the 'one bedroom with shared facilities' rate and 'two room rate' means the 'one bedroom self contained' rate.

Therefore the Guidance says that care leavers get the 'one bedroom with shared facilities' rate unless they are actually renting self contained accommodation in which case they get the 'one bedroom self contained' rate.

If they stay on with foster parents (I assume we're checking this for the same reasons by the way) they will only qualify for the lowest rate of LHA.

Richard Atkinson

  

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lisag
                              

benefits adviser, essex social services
Member since
19th Sep 2006

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Thu 10-Apr-08 02:17 PM

Ah, that doesn't sound so good, it seems that it may have been interpreted differently by different authorities. These links for example states that they can get the rate for a 1 bed self contained property even if they live in shared accommodation:

http://www.mendip.gov.uk/CouncilService.asp?id=SX9452-A7825229

http://www.rossendale.gov.uk/site/scripts/faqs.php?categoryID=1802&faqID=833#a833

How can we get a definitive response? There must be some legislation somewhere that covers this, rather than just guidance?

Thanks for the help so far.

lisa

  

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wwr
                              

senior adviser, Wirral Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
07th Oct 2005

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Thu 10-Apr-08 03:59 PM

The Mendip one says that, the Rossendale one doesn't.

More significantly, the new Rent Office LHA Direct site
(https://lha-direct.therentservice.gov.uk/Secure/FAQ.aspx#SingleUnder25)
says this:

Q. I am a care leaver under 22. Which LHA rate applies to me?
A. If you are a care leaver under 22, or live with a care leaver under 22 who is your partner, and have no dependent children your benefit will be based on the one bedroom Local Housing Allowance rate.
By care leaver we mean someone who was in council care after the age of 15. For more information about what we mean by care leavers, please get in touch with us at the address below.
The actual rates are displayed in the Local Housing Allowance Rates section of LHA-Direct. For more information, please get in touch with the Local Authority where you want to live

which suggests I am wrong.

So here are the revised LHA bands the RO is obliged to determine each month:

Categories of dwelling
1.—(1) The categories of dwelling for which a rent officer is required to determine a local housing allowance in accordance with article 4B(2A)(a)(i) are—

(a) a dwelling where the tenant has the exclusive use of only one bedroom and where the tenancy provides for him to share the use of one or more of—
(i) a kitchen;
(ii) a bathroom;
(iii) a toilet; or
(iv) a room suitable for living in;
(b) a dwelling where the tenant (together with his partner where he has one) has the exclusive use of only one bedroom and exclusive use of a kitchen, a bathroom, a toilet and a room suitable for living in;
(c) a dwelling where the tenant has the use of only two bedrooms;
(d) a dwelling where the tenant has the use of only three bedrooms;
(e) a dwelling where the tenant has the use of only four bedrooms;
(f) a dwelling where the tenant has the use of only five bedrooms.

Question is whether a care leaver qualifies under (a) or (b). RO has no role in individual cases under LHA so it will be for the LA to decide.

The LA decides a maximum rent (LHA) according to the rules in the new Reg.13D, HB Regs. Para.(2) gives the substantive rule:

(2) The category of dwelling which applies is—
(a) the category specified in paragraph 1(1)(a) of Schedule 3B to the Rent Officers Order
(one bedroom shared accommodation) where—
(i) the claimant is a young individual who has no non-dependant residing with him and to whom paragraph 14 of Schedule 3 (severe disability premium) does not apply; or
(ii) paragraph (b) does not apply because neither sub-paragraph (b)(i) nor (ii) are satisfied in the claimant’s case and neither the claimant nor his partner (where he has one) is a person to whom paragraph 14 of Schedule 3 (severe disability premium) applies, or to whom the circumstances in any of paragraphs (b) to (f) of
the definition of young individual applies (certain care leavers);
(b) except where paragraph (a)(i) applies, the category specified in paragraph 1(1)(b) of Schedule 3B to the Rent Officers Order (one bedroom self-contained accommodation)where that applies in the claimant’s case at the relevant date in accordance with the
size criteria and—
(i) the claimant (together with his partner where he has one) has the exclusive use of
two or more rooms; or
(ii) the claimant (together with his partner where he has one) has the exclusive use of one room, a bathroom and toilet and a kitchen or facilities for cooking,
and in this sub-paragraph “room” means a bedroom or room suitable for living in except for a room which the claimant shares with any person other than a member of his household, a non-dependant of his, or a person who pays rent to him or his partner;
(c) in any other case, the category which corresponds with the number of bedrooms to which the claimant is entitled in accordance with paragraph (3).

Breaking that down:
- the LHA rate for one bedroon shared accommodation applies if theb claimant is a 'young individual' with no non-deps and no SDP. Care leavers are excluded from the definition of 'young individual' until 22 (para.2(a)(1))
- the one bedroon shared accommodation rate also applies when the claimant does not in fact have 2 rooms or 1 room + bathroom, toilet and cooking facilities. This appears to apply to any age of claimant. BUT this doesn't apply when SDP is in payment OR to care leavers. as defined. (para.2(a)(ii)
- the one bedroom self contained rate then applies when the claimant occupies such accommodation
- otherwise the rent for accommodation with appropriate numbers of bedroms applies.

It's messy. On a literal reading the LHA for care leavers is undefined - they don't get the one bedroon shared accommodation rate because they are explicitly excluded, and they don't get the one bedroom self contained rate because they don't occupy the right sort of accommodation. They are entitled to a one bedroom rate, but which?

I think the only reasonable reading though is that sub.para.2(a)(ii) above which excludes care leavers from the one bedroon shared accommodation rate, must be taken to disapply sub paras (i) and (ii) from para.(b) for care leavers and allow the one bedroom self contained rate to be paid.

So, Brian was right and I was wrong, I think. Sorry it's not very definite but the regulations are poorly worded and I've no time to look further into it today. Any other views welciome.

Richard Atkinson

  

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AndyRichards
                              

Senior Training Officer, Brighton and Hove City Council, Brighton
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Thu 10-Apr-08 03:20 PM

wwr, you need to update your copy of your LHA Guidance. I think you have the version for the Pathfinder LA's.

The relevant para is 2.70 - it says "Care leavers under 22 will be entitled to the rate for a one-bedroom property, eg a one-bedroom flat or studio or some other kind of self-contained accommodation". Para 2.52 also makes it clear, as has been stated.

  

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lisag
                              

benefits adviser, essex social services
Member since
19th Sep 2006

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Thu 10-Apr-08 03:24 PM

Where do we get a copy of this guidance from - is it available online at all?

  

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AndyRichards
                              

Senior Training Officer, Brighton and Hove City Council, Brighton
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Thu 10-Apr-08 03:28 PM

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/housingbenefit/lha/lha-guidance-manual-amd1.pdf

  

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lisag
                              

benefits adviser, essex social services
Member since
19th Sep 2006

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Thu 10-Apr-08 03:35 PM

Thanks very much - that seems very clear and is dated October 2007 which is newer than what I had found myself online. That's great confirmation - I really appreciate it.

lisa

  

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lisag
                              

benefits adviser, essex social services
Member since
19th Sep 2006

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Thu 10-Apr-08 03:45 PM

EDIT: Actually March 2008 for that particular amendment, so even more recent.

  

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wwr
                              

senior adviser, Wirral Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
07th Oct 2005

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Thu 10-Apr-08 04:03 PM

Reply crossed - all agreed now. Got my LHA guidance via the Rightsnet toolkit page!

Richard Atkinson

  

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ken
                              

rightsnet, lasa
Member since
28th Jul 2005

RE: LHA and Care Leavers
Fri 11-Apr-08 12:07 PM

Hi Richard,

Thanks for highlighting this.

We've now updated the toolkit link so it leads to the latest guidance.

  

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