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robzrob
                              

HB &CTB VO & ASSESSOR, KERRIER DISTRICT COUNCIL, CAMBORNE, CORNWALL
Member since
18th Nov 2006

Polygamy
Mon 10-Mar-08 10:49 PM

Just to settle an argument. How long have there been allowances for polygamous partners in benefits?

  

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RE: Polygamy, shawn, 11th Mar 2008, #1
RE: Polygamy, matherj, 11th Mar 2008, #2
RE: Polygamy, Gareth Morgan, 11th Mar 2008, #3
      RE: Polygamy, ariadne2, 11th Mar 2008, #4
           RE: Polygamy, Gareth Morgan, 12th Mar 2008, #5
                RE: Polygamy, Shabir, 04th Apr 2008, #7
RE: Polygamy, robzrob, 12th Mar 2008, #6

shawn
                              

editorial director, rightsnet
Member since
28th Jul 2005

RE: Polygamy
Tue 11-Mar-08 07:58 AM

for income support ........... 1987

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199697/ldhansrd/pdvn/lds06/text/61107w0001.htm#06110758000110

  

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matherj
                              

Welfare Advice Officer, Melville Housing Asscociation, Dalkeith, Midlothia
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Polygamy
Tue 11-Mar-08 09:03 AM

I am sure (from memory) it was also covered in Supplementary Benefit (The Act for that I think was 1976).

  

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Gareth Morgan
                              

Managing Director, Ferret Information Systems, Cardiff
Member since
20th Feb 2004

RE: Polygamy
Tue 11-Mar-08 11:16 AM

Tue 11-Mar-08 11:17 AM by Gareth Morgan

From our CD-Rom

The Social Security and Family Allowances (polygamous Marriages) Regulations 1975

which includes the lovely "...be treated as having the same consequences as a monogamous marriage for any day, but only for any day, throughout which the polygamous marriage is in fact monogamous."

Looking on it at Nelligan the earliest reference I can find shows it's clear that in 1952 there was no provision:

"R(G) 18/52 A claimant for WB had been married to her deceased husband in Sierra Leone according to the native law, which allowed polygamy. It was held by a Tribunal of Commissioners that widow's benefit was not payable on the ground that 'widow', for the purpose of the National Insurance Act, means a woman who was married to her husband by a marriage in the sense of the law of Great Britain; i.e. the voluntary union for life of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others."

Has anyone ever had a case where there was a polygamous relationship rather than marriage? I dealt with one last year and the guidances and regs can be contradictory. It appears that one way of getting out of a LTAHW is to claim another partner, then you're all treated as single.

  

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ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: Polygamy
Tue 11-Mar-08 07:13 PM

Deends on which benefit. It is still the case that survivors' benefits cannot be claimed if the marriage was, at the date of death, actually polygamous. It's the means-tsted benefits on the whole that allow additional amounts for second and subsequent spouses in lawfully-contracted (ie out of UK by non-UK domiciled perons in a country where polygamy is lawful) polygamous marriages.

  

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Gareth Morgan
                              

Managing Director, Ferret Information Systems, Cardiff
Member since
20th Feb 2004

RE: Polygamy
Wed 12-Mar-08 09:35 AM

Wed 12-Mar-08 09:36 AM by Gareth Morgan

I was talking about MTBs. Where there is a polygamous relationship but nobody within it is married to another member, monogamously or polygamously, then all members are treated as single.

There is no provision anywhere for polyandrous marriages and, I suspect, the guidance on polygamous relationships is taken to apply to polyandrous relationships as well.

As for same sex groups....

  

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Shabir
                              

Prinipal Policy Officer, Blackburn with Darwen BC
Member since
18th Feb 2004

RE: Polygamy
Fri 04-Apr-08 04:18 PM


Gareth - I think that the polygamous provisions apply to polyandrous situations as well under s6 of the Interpretation Act 1978.

  

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robzrob
                              

HB &CTB VO & ASSESSOR, KERRIER DISTRICT COUNCIL, CAMBORNE, CORNWALL
Member since
18th Nov 2006

RE: Polygamy
Wed 12-Mar-08 12:48 PM

Thanks.

  

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